Dianne Feinstein To Introduce Assault Weapons Ban On First Day Of Congress

[88m3]

you shouldn't lock your door, because someone could just break your window

That's what people keep telling me.



I hope I can get through the window to some people here

 

[porque]

Banning guns is a great solution for ending mass shootings.

banning guns or assault weapons?

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Post #8 for you to watch.........in case you missed it.......on purpose ...

check it out, get you a good history lesson......since its clear most of these "throw the 2nd amendment in bushes" opinions lack any historical background...

Yall think the world started when you came out the womb ???

Your constitutional argument is actually what lacks historical background. Most constitutional historians agree that when the constitution was written, the right bear arms refered to state militias not individuals. This was how it was interperated for over 100 years. As technology improved and people began to call for limits on individuals owning guns, a case made it to the SCOTUS and they ignored history and ruled that the second amendment refered to individuals.

Now you cling on to that ruling while calling others out of touch with history. the irony

 

[Type Username Here]

Your constitutional argument is actually what lacks historical background. Most constitutional historians agree that when the constitution was written, the right bear arms refered to state militias not individuals. This was how it was interperated for over 100 years. As technology improved and people began to call for limits on individuals owning guns, a case made it to the SCOTUS and they ignored history and ruled that the second amendment refered to individuals.

Now you cling on to that ruling while calling others out of touch with history. the irony

WOW.

This is the most dishonest thing I have ever read on here.

Meach, provide your fukking sources.

It has ALWAYS been interpreted, since the beginning, to apply to individuals. The US Code CLEARLY defines a militia. Check the second post here.

You are just fukking lying now.

 

[Type Username Here]

One more time, the US code defines the term militia:

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

10 USC § 311

 

[DerrtySouthpaw]

rather take my chances with a nikka with a handgun then with a AR. cool with me

 

[MeachTheMonster]

WOW.

This is the most dishonest thing I have ever read on here.

Meach, provide your fukking sources.

It has ALWAYS been interpreted, since the beginning, to apply to individuals. The US Code CLEARLY defines a militia. Check the second post here.

You are just fukking lying now.

Although the Second Amendment is often invoked in this debate, the dynamics of America’s battle over guns have almost nothing to do with either the historical Second Amendment bequeathed to us by the framers, or even the more individualistic Second Amendment conjured by the present-day Supreme Court of John Roberts in two controversial decisions. The original Second Amendment was the product of a world in which a well-regulated militia stood as check against the danger of a professional standing army. The framers certainly believed in a right of self-defense, but most viewed it as something that was so well-established under the English common law that there was no need to write it into constitutional law. Even among those eager to secure a bill of rights, the dominant view (with a few notable exceptions) was that the right of self-defense was best left to the care of individual states to regulate as part of their criminal law.

One more time, the US code defines the term militia:



10 USC § 311

The us code was written well after the constitution. There was no national guard then, and militias where viewed differently.

Constitutional Topic: The Second Amendment - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

The attitude of Americans toward the military was much different in the 1790's than it is today. Standing armies were mistrusted, as they had been used as tools of oppression by the monarchs of Europe for centuries. In the war for independence, there had been a regular army, but much of the fighting had been done by the state militias, under the command of local officers. Aside from the war, militias were needed because attacks were relatively common, whether by bandits, Indians, and even by troops from other states.


Today, the state militias have evolved into the National Guard in every state. These soldiers, while part-time, are professionally trained and armed by the government. No longer are regular, non-Guardsmen, expected to take up arms in defense of the state or the nation (though the US Code does still recognize the unorganized militia as an entity, and state laws vary on the subject [10 USC 311]).

This is in great contrast to the way things were at the time of adoption of the 2nd Amendment. Many state constitutions had a right to bear arms for the purposes of the maintenance of the militia. Many had laws that required men of age to own a gun and supplies, including powder and bullets.

 

[MouseTeeth]

Banning guns is a great solution for ending mass shootings.
That said we need a multistep approach involving health care.
It's funny you bring up "knives" a lot of knives are illegal already. There was also a stabbing spree last week and no one died from what I've read. Knives and firearms aren't even remotely comparable. No ones making going to make a _ so you can stop that now. The only major _ I'm aware of was okc and that whole storyline is very questionable if you've ever looked into it. I hope you think about what I've taken the time to type.

Banning guns is like banning drugs. And we all know how successful the war on drugs is right? U honestly think they can just take away every gun owners gun and rid the black market of them??????? I'm sure most killers obtain their guns illegally. There will always be a way to find a weapon it's not that fukkin hard. I did take time to think about what u typed and it's fukkin retarded lol. Technically there's a "ban" on cocaine but I can walk into any bar USA n find it in minutes. Everything is for sale if u know where to look.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Another good passage.

If not from the founding generation, where did our modern notions of the Second Amendment come from? A more individualistic conception of the right to bear arms did emerge at the end of the 18th century, and it gained a stronghold in the early decades of the 19th century. The passage of the first true gun control laws in the 19th century, a response to the proliferation of cheap handguns for the first time in American history, actually helped strengthen this new gun rights ideology. Then, as now, gun violence was largely a problem about handguns, not long guns. Not surprisingly, the efforts to ban guns back then led to the first clear defenses of a modern-style Second Amendment right to bear arms unconnected to the militia. Some of the new state laws wound up in state courts, and judges divided over how to interpret them. Some jurists saw them as unconstitutional, while others upheld them. The dysfunctional modern debate over firearms was born out of this struggle and has nothing to do with the original Second Amendment. The notion that regulation is antithetical to the Second Amendment has no basis in history or law. As long as there have been guns in America, guns have been regulated. Even at the height of the Wild West in Dodge City, gun regulation was a fact of life.

 

[Type Username Here]

The us code was written well after the constitution. There was no national guard then, and militias where viewed differently.

Constitutional Topic: The Second Amendment - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

Can you provide your sources for this:

Most constitutional historians agree that when the constitution was written, the right bear arms refered to state militias not individuals. This was how it was interperated for over 100 years.

 

[daze23]

That's what people keep telling me.

I hope I can get through the window to some people here

condoms might break, so you might as well not use them

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Can you provide your sources for this:

The above passage speaks on it.

Whose Right to Bear Arms Did the Second Amendment Protect?, (0312240600), Saul Cornell, Textbooks - Barnes & Noble

This is the book i read with the information in it. I can't find an exact passage to link you to, but the book was written by a very respected constitutional historian that specializes in the second amendment. It is of his opinion that the second amendment refered to state militias when it was written, and it was interperated that way until opposition for gun control began to use it to mean individuals.

 

[88m3]

banning guns or assault weapons?

guns the later would cut down on them, handguns are used in a lot of mass shootings and they aren't assault weapons. The most deadly mass shooting in the US was committed using an handgun.

 

[Blackking]

Dianne Feinstein To Introduce Assault Weapons Ban On First Day Of Congress


Interesting.

It doesn't really have any chance of passing since Repubs (who are scared to death of the NRA) have gerrymandered control of the House for the forseeable future, but at least it'll keep people talking about and debating the issue.

It's not just the GOP. Most people believe in the 2nd amendment, especially after some sh1t like this.

It just seems crazy to me that the government would ever tell me that I could have an AR15. That is beyond nuts to me. Especially, when evidence shows that gun laws are ineffective to sh1t like this.

 

[ghostwriterx]

One more time, the US code defines the term militia:



10 USC § 311

So according to a, this doesn't include women who aren't in the National Guard or men over the age of 45.