Details of Hinkie moves (Best GM in NBA)

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We questioned the pick because they drafted two centers in the previous two drafts. Okafor and Noel did not play well together this season and if Embiid actually gets healthy, the logjam is even worse.
1. You can't bank on Embiid being healthy and productive. If so, cross that bridge when you get there. If all three are productive, it's not the worst thing in the world as long as you can get value back. You almost have to operate as if Embiid might not make it.

2. Noel and Okafor not functioning well together is a surprise since Noel was supposed to mask Okafor on defense. While Okafor is gonna have major flaws, the pairing not working out is more on Noel(by this time I think many people thought he'd be better than what he is).


3. Towns plays center. Would there have been this kind of criticism if they won the lotto and picked him?

That said, this is why BPA doesn't always work. Sometimes you have to make decisions you don't wanna make (Philly and LA may be in this same position again if Simmons is available). I just never got the impression that Philly was all-in on the guys they were picking
 

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1. You can't bank on Embiid being healthy and productive. If so, cross that bridge when you get there. If all three are productive, it's not the worst thing in the world as long as you can get value back. You almost have to operate as if Embiid might not make it.

2. Noel and Okafor not functioning well together is a surprise since Noel was supposed to mask Okafor on defense. While Okafor is gonna have major flaws, the pairing not working out is more on Noel(by this time I think many people thought he'd be better than what he is).


3. Towns plays center. Would there have been this kind of criticism if they won the lotto and picked him?

That said, this is why BPA doesn't always work. Sometimes you have to make decisions you don't wanna make (Philly and LA may be in this same position again if Simmons is available). I just never got the impression that Philly was all-in on the guys they were picking

Nah man it's on Okafor right now. All the numbers show they were significantly worse with Okafor on the floor, with or without Noel. There were a lot of times that Okafor was on the bench late in games because of how ineffective he was on defense. But that's to be expected somewhat he's only a rookie, and Noel is only in his 2nd full season there's plenty of time for them to grow together or they have plenty of value in the trading market.

If they can add two lockdown defenders and two good to great shooters I think Noel and Okafor (or Embiid) will be fine together. But it has to be a perfect combination of talent for any of those combos to work.
 
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Realistically, this ain't the 90s no more. No one who is a star or superstar are leaving and going to teams unless they are contenders or pretenders in three hot cities like LA, NY or Miami. If you in a tier two city forget about it which is Houston, Atlanta, Orlando and the Bay Area. Philly is a tier 3. They won't get nobody unless they overpay in general with a pretender. As they stand, they have no shot at anyone. Even tier 4 guys asking for the sky.


You just said no max guys are going to sign with the Lakers, which was an outlandish statement which you wisely backtracked on. Aside from that I can't debate hypotheticals with you when you're treating them as absolutes. Realistically smaller markets have a better chance of signing guys than they did in the 90s, due to the internet and the 24/7 news cycle a large market isn't as essential as it once was, and even if it was Philly is the 4th largest TV market in America (behind only NY, LA, & Chicago). Houston, ATL, and Orlando have better weather, but that's it. Philly has just as good a shot if not a better one to sign a guy than ATL and Orlando, and honestly anyone signing in Houston isn't looking to win, at least not as the team is currently constructed. The Bay area we're talking about Golden State and it's not fair to compare them to any team in the league, they have the best team, one of if not the best culture in the league (only team comparable is San Antonio) and are located in one of the most beautiful areas in the world with some of the best weather to match. As the Sixers stand they do have a shot because like I said they are one of the most legendary franchises in the league and they are out to build a lasting dynasty with money being secondary, a player will come along that wants to be part of that because they know if they can make Philly a contender, or bring a chip to Philly they'll be a legend like very few cities can do for a player. Look at AI, dude didn't even win a chip and he's a god in Philly.
 
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Losing a lot and getting the top pick is not really an accomplishment.

A come-up would have been getting the Lakers pick.

Now they have to wait till next year to see if they get it. (that's a good draft, too, but the the Lakers improve to a 7-12 pick... it's kinda meh)
 

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Losing a lot and getting the top pick is not really an accomplishment.

A come-up would have been getting the Lakers pick.

Now they have to wait till next year to see if they get it. (that's a good draft, too, but the the Lakers improve to a 7-12 pick... it's kinda meh)
they also have 2 more first round picks this year because of him... so they can trade those to go up, or just grab up more talent if it's there


it's a lot better than say, trying to win, getting the 10th pick and only the 10th pick and still sucking
 

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they also have 2 more first round picks this year because of him... so they can trade those to go up, or just grab up more talent if it's there


it's a lot better than say, trying to win, getting the 10th pick and only the 10th pick and still sucking


Nobody is arguing that. I think if you're gonna suck, suck.

I don't think Hinkie was an idiot. I just think he was maybe a little naive to the business of the nba, and should have known he wouldn't get 5 years of 10 wins per.

I think he was a victim of a little bad luck, and also taking on a lot of risks.
 

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Nobody is arguing that. I think if you're gonna suck, suck.

I don't think Hinkie was an idiot. I just think he was maybe a little naive to the business of the nba, and should have known he wouldn't get 5 years of 10 wins per.

I think he was a victim of a little bad luck, and also taking on a lot of risks.
A LOT of people argued that... that was the whole reason the nba stepped in and pushed for them to get rid of hinkie.. that wasn't the ownership acting alone.. that was the general consensus of the nba owners/coaches/players current and former, saying the sixers were bad for the league

meanwhile dude got them a pretty stacked young team and a pink slip for his work... basically being told "if you gonna suck, just suck better, and still don't improve"
 
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