Details of Hinkie moves (Best GM in NBA)

[SchoolboyC]

2013 was a weak draft though. If your plan is to tank and build through the draft, you have to hit on someone like Giannis.

Again, just because someone is BPA, doesn't mean they truly are or the player that best fits your team. Philly has three fukking centers on the roster. What happens if all three are healthy going into next season? They can't play those guys together and be successful or put them in the best positions to succeed.

The Batum/Vonleh swap was a good move, but Batum was coming off the worst season of his career (and going into his walk year) and Portland was seemingly going all in on the youth movement.

Realistically, what do you think they can get for two of their bigs?

3 years later, the 15th pick is the best player in the draft class and the #1 pick is out of the league. What are the odds? Like I said he messed up not taking Giannis but it was a weird draft. And it wasn't even like Giannis fell in the draft, he was drafted in the range people had him going.

Then they trade one, probably Okafor. Regardless all three of them will have value. Vonleh was just an example of what an inferior prospect brought in.

Depends on what Philly would be looking for. Ainge was supposedly willing to come off one of the Nets picks for Okafor but given that they have a new regime not sure what direction they're going in from now.

 

[Regular_P]

3 years later, the 15th pick is the best player in the draft class and the #1 pick is out of the league. What are the odds? Like I said he messed up not taking Giannis but it was a weird draft. And it wasn't even like Giannis fell in the draft, he was drafted in the range people had him going.

Then they trade one, probably Okafor. Regardless all three of them will have value. Vonleh was just an example of what an inferior prospect brought in.

Depends on what Philly would be looking for. Ainge was supposedly willing to come off one of the Nets picks for Okafor but given that they have a new regime not sure what direction they're going in from now.

If they cash in on any of those guys, we can re-open the discussion. Until then, they have three guys who cannot be on the court at the same time, who also happen to be their three best players.

 

[Forlife44]

aint no lack of talent that is who he is

homie is bushes :wesssttttt:

good god 16% from 3 :cowboystephh:

damn that huskies team had 3 nba players and a NFL tight end and didnt even make the tournament

 

[#1 pick]

Yea $60 million in cap space, multiple 1st round picks this year, and a solid young core offers no hope going forward. Whether other teams/GMs want to admit it or not, they'd love to be in the position the Sixers are in. Obviously not the good teams or teams in great/attractive markets, but teams who are rebuilding and/or have been stuck in mediocrity would LOVE to have been given the freedom Hinkie had to truly destroy and rebuild the team. In todays world, in every sport the demand for instant results too often stunts the growth of players, coaches, and whole franchises.

I'm just really hopinh the Colangelos don't come along and undo the foundation and potential that Hinkie's built, and hopefully they end up being beneficial to free agent negotiations this offseason and moving forward.

Also, assuming that Embiid comes back fully healthy why would he play 24 minutes a game?

You don't have a solid young core. You have one good player who is young around two other centers who have a larger measure of bust potential than the norm that's taking at their slots.

If you don't think Embiid will be on minutes restriction than your nuts.

60 million is meaningless when most of the NBA has potentially 20 to 40 million in cap. Hell the Lakers got even more than 60 million and their not signing nobody and their the Lakers with a better core and squad than your team.

Bryan is a smart GM, he's lacking of course but he is much smarter than Hinkie. Hinkie is a NBA 2k gm which works there but not in real life where players have real feelings, real life, real chemistry and real talent that needs to be developed.

 

[Lifer11]

You don't have a solid young core. You have one good player who is young around two other centers who have a larger measure of bust potential than the norm that's taking at their slots.

If you don't think Embiid will be on minutes restriction than your nuts.

60 million is meaningless when most of the NBA has potentially 20 to 40 million in cap. Hell the Lakers got even more than 60 million and their not signing nobody and their the Lakers with a better core and squad than your team.

Bryan is a smart GM, he's lacking of course but he is much smarter than Hinkie. Hinkie is a NBA 2k gm which works there but not in real life where players have real feelings, real life, real chemistry and real talent that needs to be developed.

Embiid will certainly be on a minutes restriction, but you spoke of it like that's all he'll ever play. You said their biggest hope is a center who will play at most 24 mpg, how would a 22 year old being on a minutes restriction for maybe 2-3 months affect them in the long term?

And how is an extra $20-40 million in cap space meaningless (the Lakers will have $1 million more in cap space)? That's potentially another max player, or 2 or 3 very good to great role players. If 2 stars decide they want to join up the Sixers are right at the top of the best locations for them to do so, they will literally be able to pick the role players they want around them, and the Sixers will be able to afford them, while having the young core they already have and multiple 1st round picks this year.

And we do have a very solid young core. Noel has already proven to be a very good defensive player with the potential to be great, and Okafor is one of the best young post scorers the league has seen in years. Neither one of those two have shown bust potential, they've both shown weaknesses but who hasn't? Not to mention Saric who has loads of potential, he may turn out to be nothing, but I suspect he'll be a very good role player/6th man at the very least.

 

[greenygreen]

Joshua Harris: The ouster of the Colangelos from the Philadelphia 76ers

 

[tremonthustler1]

Are y'all really questioning Okafor being drafted by Philly?

That was the 2nd most no-brainer move after Towns (and Okafor only went #3 instead of #1 because he refused to work out for MIN -- crazy because Flip wanted Okafor more)

Y'all only question Okafor now because he looks miserable there.

 

[#1 pick]

Embiid will certainly be on a minutes restriction, but you spoke of it like that's all he'll ever play. You said their biggest hope is a center who will play at most 24 mpg, how would a 22 year old being on a minutes restriction for maybe 2-3 months affect them in the long term?

And how is an extra $20-40 million in cap space meaningless (the Lakers will have $1 million more in cap space)? That's potentially another max player, or 2 or 3 very good to great role players. If 2 stars decide they want to join up the Sixers are right at the top of the best locations for them to do so, they will literally be able to pick the role players they want around them, and the Sixers will be able to afford them, while having the young core they already have and multiple 1st round picks this year.

And we do have a very solid young core. Noel has already proven to be a very good defensive player with the potential to be great, and Okafor is one of the best young post scorers the league has seen in years. Neither one of those two have shown bust potential, they've both shown weaknesses but who hasn't? Not to mention Saric who has loads of potential, he may turn out to be nothing, but I suspect he'll be a very good role player/6th man at the very least.

No max player or even faux max will even sign with the Lakers. The 3rd tier guys will look and talk and sign somewhere else. The 4th tier guys would love LA but will choose a winner if the pay is close.

As for Philly. No max or faux max will ever come to Philly. Ever. 3rd tier guys will rather take a pay cut and 4th tier guys will only sign if you vastly overpay like Ish Smith for 15 million per.

Okafor is a great post scorer. I agree with that part but he's an extremely flawed player. Extremely flawed. One of the most flawed since Tim Hardaway Jr and Jamal Crawford. Not even Greg Monroe and Al Jefferson were as flawed even though Okafor is clearly more talented than all of them.

 

[DlAMONDZ]

What Center will Philly draft this year?

 

[#1 pick]

What Center will Philly draft this year?

Sabonis

 

[Lifer11]

No max player or even faux max will even sign with the Lakers. The 3rd tier guys will look and talk and sign somewhere else. The 4th tier guys would love LA but will choose a winner if the pay is close.

As for Philly. No max or faux max will ever come to Philly. Ever. 3rd tier guys will rather take a pay cut and 4th tier guys will only sign if you vastly overpay like Ish Smith for 15 million per.

You're nuts if you think that. The Lakers are the premier destination in the league, it's a no brainer they'll eventually get their next franchise player and people will line up to sign there.

As for the Sixers, they are in the midst of having the biggest, nicest, and most state of the art practice facility in the league built, add to that their assets, draft picks, and cap room and they will eventually get a max guy or two as well. You're being EXTREMELY shortsighted to think a few bad seasons will have this drastic of an effect on two legendary NBA franchises.

 

[#1 pick]

You're nuts if you think that. The Lakers are the premier destination in the league, it's a no brainer they'll eventually get their next franchise player and people will line up to sign there.

As for the Sixers, they are in the midst of having the biggest, nicest, and most state of the art practice facility in the league built, add to that their assets, draft picks, and cap room and they will eventually get a max guy or two as well. You're being EXTREMELY shortsighted to think a few bad seasons will have this drastic of an effect on two legendary NBA franchises.

This offseason, they will shoot blanks.Next year they might be a big player.

Most teams are updating or building new facilities. The tv money has impacted every team positively.

 

[Lifer11]

This offseason, they will shoot blanks.Next year they might be a big player.

Most teams are updating or building new facilities. The tv money has impacted every team positively.

Unless they somehow got KD or Lebron this offseason (which I know would be nothing short of a miracle) I don't mind if they shoot blanks, they came way too far to fukk up and sign mid level players to max contracts now. If they do that they'll completely lose the fanbase, which they haven't done yet cause most people bought into Hinkie's plan.

 

[#1 pick]

Unless they somehow got KD or Lebron this offseason (which I know would be nothing short of a miracle) I don't mind if they shoot blanks, they came way too far to fukk up and sign mid level players to max contracts now. If they do that they'll completely lose the fanbase, which they haven't done yet cause most people bought into Hinkie's plan.

Realistically, this ain't the 90s no more. No one who is a star or superstar are leaving and going to teams unless they are contenders or pretenders in three hot cities like LA, NY or Miami. If you in a tier two city forget about it which is Houston, Atlanta, Orlando and the Bay Area. Philly is a tier 3. They won't get nobody unless they overpay in general with a pretender. As they stand, they have no shot at anyone. Even tier 4 guys asking for the sky.

 

[Regular_P]

Are y'all really questioning Okafor being drafted by Philly?

That was the 2nd most no-brainer move after Towns (and Okafor only went #3 instead of #1 because he refused to work out for MIN -- crazy because Flip wanted Okafor more)

Y'all only question Okafor now because he looks miserable there.

We questioned the pick because they drafted two centers in the previous two drafts. Okafor and Noel did not play well together this season and if Embiid actually gets healthy, the logjam is even worse.