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CodeKansas said:
You never know, you might end up seeing something you like. Gonna wait and see on Anthem. Can't trust EA. Anybody who'll kill a series like Dead Space clearly ain't got no sense.
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You can't trust Bungie either. Anyone who takes 3 years of hardwork and dumps it all to spite itself and openly, proudly repeat mistakes while playing to a rabid minority is worse. If Ubisoft can turn a corner, then shyt - anyone can.

As bad as EA did with Battlefront 2, they didn't need 6 whole months to address the cashgrab or release one fukking patch. Bungie has no excuse and they're bloated to the point of being majority waste. They're the slowest, most confused major FPS dev in the business right now and they've shown remarkably little to change any of that. Especially when their answer is to overpower everything instead of introducing changes with a start and endpoint.

I was kinda impressed with Warmind. Seriously. But the direction they're going is nothing that I'm interested in anymore. And to make it worse, every weapon grind is on par with shytty time gated mobile game layouts. They've completely abandoned natural progression in the game. Who's got time to line up dozens of hours for a faction rally? They are clueless
 
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42 Monks said:
You can't trust Bungie either. Anyone who takes 3 years of hardwork and dumps it all to spite itself and openly, proudly repeat mistakes while playing to a rabid minority is worse. If Ubisoft can turn a corner, then shyt - anyone can.

As bad as EA did with Battlefront 2, they didn't need 6 whole months to address the cashgrab or release one fukking patch. Bungie has no excuse and they're bloated to the point of being majority waste. They're the slowest, most confused major FPS dev in the business right now and they've shown remarkably little to change any of that. Especially when their answer is to overpower everything instead of introducing changes with a start and endpoint.

I was kinda impressed with Warmind. Seriously. But the direction they're going is nothing that I'm interested in anymore. And to make it worse, every weapon grind is on par with shytty time gated mobile game layouts. They've completely abandoned natural progression in the game. Who's got time to line up dozens of hours for a faction rally? They are clueless
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Yeah, this is an extreme example of what developers are getting sucked into now. It's not just about Games as a Service, but Games as a Hobby. They're trying to appeal to people that play this and nothing but this. shyt is crazy, because a rather significant portion of the player base plays casually, or plays other games. I've made peace with the fact that the game is still going to be fun, but I'll never be able to have the dedication needed to hit max power level. It's crazy that there's basically a class division that keeps so many people from playing some of the best content.
 
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Tbh Destiny is at its best when its not catering to casual players. they attempted that with launch D2 and the game all but died suffering record population drops and mindshare loss. as much as people here argue against it, its the hardcore that keep a game alive and thriving long past content drops. Casual players will be casual player regardless.

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Came back to do the Whisper of the Worm and once the excitement for that went away I remembered why I left again. Game is definitely in a better place than it started though but I think they may have a gjallahorn situation on
their hands with this gun because it outclasses everything in terms of boss dps and is only gonna get stronger when the catalyst finishes.
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This is not true in all situations. yes, the Whisper is powerful, as it should be, but depending on what you're doing, it's outclassed by things like the Darci and Ikelos Shotgun and even the Borealis with the "ionic return" buff (which can be upkept forever with the Hunter's reload dodge)

Darci is better for burst DPS, and Whisper is better for total damage, but considering you have a short window for DPS for the great majority of Bosses in Destiny, there are multiple instances where you are better served with the Darci. Not to mention, Whisper's DPS falls off a cliff when put up against moving targets/if you miss crits. Shooting the Darci fast is easier than never missing crits with the Whisper. (you also have to consider that often you have to juggle Boss DPS with add control)

Darci and Borealis also benefit from the fact of being able to be paired up with Warlock Lunafaction rifts for auto reloads and even better burst DPS. The Whisper's "white nail" perk is nullified by a Lunafaction rift.

Majority of the Destiny player base won't be hitting constant crits over a short DPS phase and to a moving target. Overall, people are hyped about the weapon but are seriously overstating its place in the power hierarchy. I think the Whisper is best weapon, but that's considering my skill level and playstyle. I don't think its "a must have" or Gjallahorn situation, at all.

here's some comparisons between Darci & Whisper:

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bigger version of chart HERE

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If you look at the graph above, which is interactive, it is very clear which rifle is better. The answer? Both. It really depends on how long your damage phase is. Darci outpaces Whisper and runs out of ammo at ~9.5 seconds. ~12.6 seconds in whisper is still firing and doesn't run out of ammo until ~15.8 seconds assuming you never proc white nail or mulligan.

tl:dr - Darci wins until it runs out of ammo. If your damage phase is shorter than 12.5 seconds use Darci and another high dps primary/secondary. Longer than 12.5 seconds: Whisper of the worm.

This is a theoretical maximum. you must use use lunafaction boots with Darci for no reload (which if you are looking at this I would posit you already know). It of course does not factor in a variety of variables; reload, missing a shot, skill, target acquisition, a teammate stepping in front of you, the pizza guy at the door, etc.
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With the catalyst, Whisper is expected to out-damage DARCI by around 38% at a DPS level. When it comes to total damage, Whisper has the potential for unlimited ammo, so in theory can pump damage into any boss until it's dead.

Without the catalyst, Whisper is behind DARCI on DPS but has the potential to pump out more total damage.

It's a balanced addition to the game given the difficulty in obtaining the weapon.
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Uchiha God said:
Tbh Destiny is at its best when its not catering to casual players. they attempted that with launch D2 and the game all but died suffering record population drops and mindshare loss. as much as people here argue against it, its the hardcore that keep a game alive and thriving long past content drops. Casual players will be casual player regardless.



This is not true in all situations. yes, the Whisper is powerful, as it should be, but depending on what you're doing, it's outclassed by things like the Darci and Ikelos Shotgun and even the Borealis with the "ionic return" buff (which can be upkept forever with the Hunter's reload dodge)

Darci is better for burst DPS, and Whisper is better for total damage, but considering you have a short window for DPS for the great majority of Bosses in Destiny, there are multiple instances where you are better served with the Darci. Not to mention, Whisper's DPS falls off a cliff when put up against moving targets/if you miss crits. Shooting the Darci fast is easier than never missing crits with the Whisper. (you also have to consider that often you have to juggle Boss DPS with add control)

Darci and Borealis also benefit from the fact of being able to be paired up with Warlock Lunafaction rifts for auto reloads and even better burst DPS. The Whisper's "white nail" perk is nullified by a Lunafaction rift.

Majority of the Destiny player base won't be hitting constant crits over a short DPS phase and to a moving target. Overall, people are hyped about the weapon but are seriously overstating its place in the power hierarchy. I think the Whisper is best weapon, but that's considering my skill level and playstyle. I don't think its "a must have" or Gjallahorn situation, at all.

here's some comparisons between Darci & Whisper:

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bigger version of chart HERE

info from source thread for the chart:



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The thing about that chart, it's also assuming that you can shoot the Darci at its maximum firerate, and also hitting all critical shots, which probably isn't easy for the average Destiny Player, especially on console. If Bungie were to implement moving bosses where you don't stand on a plate for x amount of seconds after you do whatever to trigger a damage phase, then yeah, it wouldn't be an issue, but every raid so far has followed the same formulaic, do x procedure in order to do bring down boss immunity so you can damage for a period of time while he stands still for the most part.

But in all honesty, whether it's broken or not isn't really an issue at all. The repeated boss designs are the issue along with them not being committed to knowing what they want to do as far as how powerful they want weapons and guardians to be. They spend the better part of 3 years nerfing everything, including this same gun, to appease a rabid minority. A year into this game, now they're slowly undoing what they that thought they fixed by bringing back what they deemed was broken.
 
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If I grab the chests, do I need to beat the heroic for the chests to count or can I just grab em.. do that short puzzle then return to orbit? :patrice:
 
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