Democrats Are Thinking Like Fascists

[JoogJoint]

@Celerii , no I don't believe you, and that's based on several of your questionable posts.
And I certainly didn't accuse you of being an "alt right cac" you just put that in the aymosphere

Ladies and gentlemen enjoy your we hate hillary/dems are keeping us on the plantation circle jerk.

This isn't a discussion about changing the party from within a's black dems. This is just a bash thread. This is not "holding them sccountable" holding the party accountable would start with actually running recruiting and supporting candidates at a local level who form our bench. Voting consistently in all elections. Not just presidential. Pooling conyributions to magnify the impact of our group etc.Not just " I hate that bytch" on the coli.

Google this topic and the top result is gateway p ndit.
The crazy racist basted who brought us the orbital socket rupture fairy tale in defense of the pig killing Mike brown.

I'm out.
Yall have an outstanding coli evening.

So you want to whine about Donald Trump for the next 4 years and blame him for getting into office rather than actually holding the Democrats accountable for forcing an agenda on the voters?

No offense, brehette, but I find it embarassing that so many African Americans (especially African American Women) go so hard for Hillary, but did nothing to earn it.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

democrats called the documents that Wikileaks released fake news even though it was confirmed by hillary during a debate, as i stated in the OP. the point i'm trying to make is that politicians are using this as an opportunity to say that any news that doesnt benefit them is fake. also, a lot of this fake news was spread by mainstream news sources like CNN and the New York Times. dont you think it would be better to encourage news networks to verify the info they receive?

Could you substantiate that claim? Your points are vague - it's democrats this, democrats that - but nothing substantive. Which Democrats? I'm honestly open to being proven wrong, but I only recall, when pressed over the stolen emails, that there was no comment on their veracity, just that they were illegally obtained. And fake news would be the myriad of stories about health conditions. The "bucket of losers" stuff. The drone bomb Julian Assange stuff. This pizzagate crap. You even had WikiLeaks pushing that fake Seth Rich assassination story. The Bob Beckel shyt that they also pushed.



Can't forget his either.

"Sergei Markov, a pro-Kremlin political analyst, was jubilant at the result and said a Trump presidency would make it more likely the US would agree with Russia on Syria, where the two powers back different sides and Moscow has intervened decisively on behalf of the president, Bashar al-Assad.

Markov also said it would mean less American backing for “the terroristic junta in Ukraine”. He denied allegations of Russian interference in the election, but said “maybe we helped a bit with WikiLeaks.”

After Trump’s win, Putin advisor reveals: ‘Maybe we helped a bit with WikiLeaks’

 

[JoogJoint]

nikkas still talkin bout Clinton when Trump is putting white supremacists in his cabinet and doing illegal business deals before he even takes office

People like us are discussing what the democrats can do in 2018 and 2020 to prevent another Donald Trump term. Right now holding the democrats accountable is a step in the right direction. Admitting that there's a problem is the first step.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

the face of the Democratic party was literally Neo-liberalism in 2016, and it has been as such since Bill Clinton.

The neo-liberals piggy back off "progressivism" and give good lip-service but its very clear that they're snake oil salesmen with no real interest in trade unions or the working class

As for the legislation; the congressional committees determine what are "falsehoods" and who "agents of influence" are

The face of neoliberalism wouldn't support Dodd-Frank. They don't care about unions, but sponsor bills that strengthen unions. Or programs to help re-train the working class for the coming automated world. Okay. It's clear you have an idea and are going to stick with it. So why are we here?

 

[JoogJoint]

Hillary Clinton is such a sore loser, my God...

Take your "L" like a big woman.

 

[Celerii]

The face of neoliberalism wouldn't support Dodd-Frank. They don't care about unions, but sponsor bills that strengthen unions. Or programs to help re-train the working class for the coming automated world. Okay. It's clear you have an idea and are going to stick with it. So why are we here?

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dodd frank isnt effective. its watered down reform.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

People like us are discussing what the democrats can do in 2018 and 2020 to prevent another Donald Trump term. Right now holding the democrats accountable is a step in the right direction. Admitting that there's a problem is the first step.

Nothing. We're going to get slaughtered in 2018. Democrats don't come out for mid-terms. For 2020? Who knows? I want to see what Bernie and his progressive wing can accomplish. However, looking at that townhall from the other day, he still seems to be missing the picture with his re-industrialize America rhetoric. It's automation more so that free trade that's killing those jobs. And becoming Luddites isn't going to accomplish anything.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

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dodd frank isnt effective. its watered down reform.

Are you ever going to explain anything?

 

[Celerii]

Are you ever going to explain anything?

what do you want me to explain. i thought i made things clear in the OP?

 

[BocaRear]

The face of neoliberalism wouldn't support Dodd-Frank. They don't care about unions, but sponsor bills that strengthen unions. Or programs to help re-train the working class for the coming automated world. Okay. It's clear you have an idea and are going to stick with it. So why are we here?

I don't really understand what you're trying to argue and I don't think you understand what Neo-liberalism is, the left has actively moved in favour of centrist policies. This is not an opinion, this is an objective fact since Bill Clinton's pragmatism; 3rd way has been the face of Leftist politics in the West. Similar things happened with Tony Blair, Renzi ect.

They're socially liberal but economically they're against any considerable regulations on the private sector. Basically they're all about the money and they're partly responsible for the increase in extreme right wing ideologies that we saw in Brexit, as well as Trump's victory, people are fed up of this "elitist" left-wing bubble.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

So you want to whine about Donald Trump for the next 4 years and blame him for getting into office rather than actually holding the Democrats accountable for forcing an agenda on the voters?

No offense, brehette, but I find it embarassing that so many African Americans (especially African American Women) go so hard for Hillary, but did nothing to earn it.

I missed this. What's the agenda?

I don't really understand what you're trying to argue and I don't think you understand what Neo-liberalism is, the left has actively moved in favour of centrist policies. This is not an opinion, this is an objective fact since Bill Clinton's pragmatism; 3rd way has been the face of Leftist politics in the West. Similar things happened with Tony Blair, Renzi ect.

They're socially liberal but economically they're against any considerable regulations on the private sector. Basically they're all about the money and they're partly responsible for the increase in extreme right wing ideologies that we saw in Brexit, as well as Trump's victory, people are fed up of this "elitist" left-wing bubble.

I think I understand what you're saying now wrt neoliberalism. And I don't disagree.

 

[wickedsm]

So you want to whine about Donald Trump for the next 4 years and blame him for getting into office rather than actually holding the Democrats accountable for forcing an agenda on the voters?

No offense, brehette, but I find it embarassing that so many African Americans (especially African American Women) go so hard for Hillary, but did nothing to earn it.

I will indulge you. You have never ever seen me go hard for Hillary. I am on record since the primaries as not being a hillary fan. I specifically said I wouldn't have minded if hillary got elected and impeached on day 1 and we had Kaine for the next 4 years, that would have been great for me.

No matter what any of you want to post along these false equivalence lines I will adamantly disagree.

They are NOT the same level of horrible.
The consequences will NOT be the same.

Want to say they're both horrible? Sure. Go ahead. The same?
Absolutely fukking not.

As I stated in my post I have no problem with people holding their political party/politicians accountable.

Circle jerk bytching on the coli is NOT Holding anyone accountable.

Where is the talk of grassroots political activism? Who's mobilizing? Who is writing letters and making phonecalls?
Who's attending local political get togethers? Who goes to their town halls?

What is occurring in this thread to effect positive change?

It certainly doesn't have to do so, but don't be a concern troll and pretend that your interest is in "bettering the democratic party" when it's not.
Like many in this thread are doing.

 

[Celerii]

They are NOT the same level of horrible.
The consequences will NOT be the same.

Want to say they're both horrible? Sure. Go ahead. The same?
Absolutely fukking not.

ur right

 

[wickedsm]

she cant defend their behavior. she criticizes republicans when they are right and wrong and she supports democrats when they are right and wrong.

Don't lie on me "little girl"
You've not seen me
Supporting democrats right or wrong.
I haven't defended this push for these laws, just pointed out your hypocrisy for screaming "facism facism" now.

Do me a favor and put me on ignore
I'm not interested in this game you're playing.

 

[BocaRear]

I will indulge you. You have never ever seen me go hard for Hillary. I am on record since the primaries as not being a hillary fan. I specifically said I wouldn't have minded if hillary got elected and impeached on day 1 and we had Kaine for the next 4 years, that would have been great for me.

No matter what any of you want to post along these false equivalence lines I will adamantly disagree.

They are NOT the same level of horrible.
The consequences will NOT be the same.

Want to say they're both horrible? Sure. Go ahead. The same?
Absolutely fukking not.

As I stated in my post I have no problem with people holding their political party/politicians accountable.

Circle jerk bytching on the coli is NOT Holding anyone accountable.

Where is the talk of grassroots political activism? Who's mobilizing? Who is writing letters and making phonecalls?
Who's attending local political get togethers? Who goes to their town halls?

What is occurring in this thread to effect positive change?

It certainly doesn't have to do so, but don't be a concern troll and pretend that your interest is in "bettering the democratic party" when it's not.
Like many in this thread are doing.

No one said that they're the same AT ALL, why does critising the DNC automatically put some of you on

mode?