Democrats Are Thinking Like Fascists

[Broke Wave]

nikkas still talkin bout Clinton when Trump is putting white supremacists in his cabinet and doing illegal business deals before he even takes office

 

[Celerii]

nikkas still talkin bout Clinton when Trump is putting white supremacists in his cabinet and doing illegal business deals before he even takes office

just because trump is in office doesnt mean we shouldnt talk about clinton. i actually think that more criticism will help dems realize what they are doing wrong and it could help them in 2020.


how do you think fake news should be handled?

 

[Broke Wave]

just because trump is in office doesnt mean we shouldnt talk about clinton. i actually think that more criticism will help dems realize what they are doing wrong and it could help them in 2020.


how do you think fake news should be handled?

It was not a problem before the election, and it isn't a problem now. Remember there was a time that 30% at least people thought 9/11 was some kind of conspiracy.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

the irony

Stop using words you don't understand.

Break down HR6393 for me using your own words. Start with its sponsor. Its intent. And the difference from HR4681

 

[Celerii]

It was not a problem before the election, and it isn't a problem now. Remember there was a time that 30% at least people thought 9/11 was some kind of conspiracy.

so you think that legislation pertaining to fake news is excessive?

 

[Broke Wave]

so you think that legislation pertaining to fake news is excessive?

It's insanity, but it's never going to pass. Furthermore Trump is going to crush the First Amendment in ways we haven't imagined so just wait for that. This is just the establishment acting out.

 

[Celerii]

It's insanity, but it's never going to pass. Furthermore Trump is going to crush the First Amendment in ways we haven't imagined so just wait for that. This is just the establishment acting out.

i agree

 

[BocaRear]

You're a retard who believes that pizzagate bullshyt. And criticism is a good and health thing. I regularly criticize the Dems. The party isn't anywhere close to perfect. What you idiots indulge in isn't criticism. It's tilting at windmills. You use your nightmarish confirmation bias to build up this non-existent entity to rage against.

why are you so angry at me for the words that are coming out of prominent "liberal" democrats?

its interesting how you've chosen to throw around ad-hominens rather than address what the Neo-liberals are pushing

As for pizzagate - the government & powerful individuals have been documented in engaging in child sexual assault; this is historical fact

 

[Celerii]

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

why are you so angry at me for the words that are coming out of prominent "liberal" democrats?

its interesting how you've chosen to throw around ad-hominens rather than address what the Neo-liberals are pushing

As for pizzagate - the government & powerful individuals have been documented in engaging in child sexual assault; this is historical fact

What are they pushing? I see people mentioning legislature being created to attack fake news, but I can't find it. And the articles online point to HR6393. And I still don't see it. And before you get it in your head that I support such legislation, I dont; I don't believe the government should be the ones determining what's real or fake. And please for the love of god, stop with the "neoliberal" shyt unless you can clearly define it. That word has been robbed of all meaning this election. It now seems to mean "what I don't like" and that's annoying, as it has a real meaning that people ignore.

Wrt your last point, that's true. However, that doesn't really say anything about pizzagate.

I guess that's a no then @Celerii ?

 

[Geek Nasty]

This thread is dumb as hell. The 1st amendment doesn't give you the right to say whatever the fukk you want

I have no problem with cracking down on libel. And courts have the final say anyway.

 

[BocaRear]

What are they pushing? I see people mentioning legislature being created to attack fake news, but I can't find it. And the articles online point to HR6393. And I still don't see it. And before you get it in your head that I support such legislation, I dont; I don't believe the government should be the ones determining what's real or fake. And please for the love of god, stop with the "neoliberal" shyt unless you can clearly define it. That word has been robbed of all meaning this election. It now seems to mean "what I don't like" and that's annoying, as it has a real meaning that people ignore.

Wrt your last point, that's true. However, that doesn't really say anything about pizzagate.

1) Neoliberalism/Third way politics refers to the modern Left's movement from trade unions/working class foundation to right wing laisez faire economics with little regulation

basically Diet Republicans

this is an actual political term - its not a frivolous insult

2) US legislation proposes new committee to counteract Russian 'covert influence'


The measure, tucked into the fiscal 2017 House and Senate bills authorizing US intelligence operations, would create a powerful new committee across the security services to oppose Russian destabilization measures and propaganda domestically and worldwide.

Its mission – defined broadly and without geographic limitation – is to “counter active measures by the Russian Federation to exert covert influence over peoples and governments”, according to the texts of both the House and the Senate bills, both of which have won the approval of their intelligence committees.


Hillary Clinton attacks ‘fake news’ in post-election appearance on Capitol Hill

there is clearly a concerted effort by the legislature and executive to suppress what it deems fake news

 

[Celerii]

This thread is dumb as hell. The 1st amendment doesn't give you the right to say whatever the fukk you want

I have no problem with cracking down on libel

democrats called the documents that Wikileaks released fake news even though it was confirmed by hillary during a debate, as i stated in the OP. the point i'm trying to make is that politicians are using this as an opportunity to say that any news that doesnt benefit them is fake. also, a lot of this fake news was spread by mainstream news sources like CNN and the New York Times. dont you think it would be better to encourage news networks to verify the info they receive?

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

1) Neoliberalism/Third way politics refers to the modern Left's movement from trade unions/working class foundation to right wing laisez faire economics with little regulation

basically Diet Republicans

this is an actual political term - its not a frivolous insult

2) US legislation proposes new committee to counteract Russian 'covert influence'


The measure, tucked into the fiscal 2017 House and Senate bills authorizing US intelligence operations, would create a powerful new committee across the security services to oppose Russian destabilization measures and propaganda domestically and worldwide.

Its mission – defined broadly and without geographic limitation – is to “counter active measures by the Russian Federation to exert covert influence over peoples and governments”, according to the texts of both the House and the Senate bills, both of which have won the approval of their intelligence committees.


Hillary Clinton attacks ‘fake news’ in post-election appearance on Capitol Hill

there is clearly a concerted effort by the legislature and executive to suppress what it deems fake news

But that's the thing, the "modern" left haven't really moved away from those things. From a US politics position, liberal Democrats still run on tightening regulations and pro-labor/workers rights platforms. You could make the case that it's not the face of the party, but it's still there.

TITLE V—Matters relating to foreign countries
SEC. 501. Committee to counter active measures by the Russian Federation to exert covert influence over peoples and governments.
(a) Definitions.—In this section:

(1) ACTIVE MEASURES BY RUSSIA TO EXERT COVERT INFLUENCE.—The term “active measures by Russia to exert covert influence” means activities intended to influence a person or government that are carried out in coordination with, or at the behest of, political leaders or the security services of the Russian Federation and the role of the Russian Federation has been hidden or not acknowledged publicly, including the following:

(A) Establishment or funding of a front group.

(B) Covert broadcasting.

(C) Media manipulation.

(D) Disinformation and forgeries.

(E) Funding agents of influence.

(F) Incitement and offensive counterintelligence.

(G) Assassinations.

(H) Terrorist acts.

(2) APPROPRIATE COMMITTEES OF CONGRESS.—The term “appropriate committees of Congress” means—

(A) the congressional intelligence committees;

(B) the Committee on Armed Services and the Committee on Foreign Relations of the Senate; and

(C) the Committee on Armed Services and the Committee on Foreign Affairs of the House of Representatives.

(b) Establishment.—There is established within the executive branch an interagency committee to counter active measures by the Russian Federation to exert covert influence.

(c) Membership.—

(1) IN GENERAL.—

(A) APPOINTMENT.—Each head of an agency or department of the United States Government set out under subparagraph (B) shall appoint one member of the committee established by subsection (b) from among officials of such agency or department who occupy a position that is required to be appointed by the President, with the advice and consent of the Senate.

(B) HEAD OF AN AGENCY OR DEPARTMENT.—The head of an agency or department of the United States Government set out under this subparagraph are the following:

(i) The Director of National Intelligence.

(ii) The Secretary of State.

(iii) The Secretary of Defense.

(iv) The Secretary of the Treasury.

(v) The Attorney General.

(vi) The Secretary of Energy.

(vii) The Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

(viii) The head of any other agency or department of the United States Government designated by the President for purposes of this section.

(d) Meetings.—The committee shall meet on a regular basis.

(e) Duties.—The duties of the committee established by subsection (b) shall be as follows:

(1) To counter active measures by Russia to exert covert influence, including by exposing falsehoods, agents of influence, corruption, human rights abuses, terrorism, and assassinations carried out by the security services or political elites of the Russian Federation or their proxies.

(2) Such other duties as the President may designate for purposes of this section.

(f) Staff.—The committee established by subsection (b) may employ such staff as the members of such committee consider appropriate.

(g) Budget request.—A request for funds required for the functioning of the committee established by subsection (b) may be included in each budget for a fiscal year submitted by the President pursuant to section 1105(a) of title 31, United States Code.

(h) Annual report.—

(1) REQUIREMENT.—Not later than 180 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, and annually thereafter, and consistent with the protection of intelligence sources and methods, the committee established by subsection (b) shall submit to the appropriate committees of Congress a report describing steps being taken by the committee to counter active measures by Russia to exert covert influence.

(2) MATTERS INCLUDED.—Each report under paragraph (1) shall include a summary of the following:

(A) Active measures by Russia to exert covert influence during the previous year, including significant incidents and notable trends.

(B) Key initiatives of the committee.

(C) Implementation of the committee’s initiatives by the heads of the agencies and departments of the United States Government specified in subsection (c)(1)(B).

(D) Analysis of the success of such initiatives.

(E) Changes to such initiatives from the previous year.

(3) SEPARATE REPORTING REQUIREMENT.—The requirement to submit an annual report under paragraph (1) is in addition to any other reporting requirements with respect to Russia.

This sounds like the Foreign Counterintelligence Program and General Defense Intelligence program power being extended to a new government committee. It's sounds like more government waste as agencies already have this power. However, I could see why this would be a cause for concern specifically because it's somewhat vague, but mostly because people aren't familiar with the powers these agencies already hold. I'm still skeptical on the censorship and suppression of news claims, however.

 

[BocaRear]

But that's the thing, the "modern" left haven't really moved away from those things. From a US politics position, liberal Democrats still run on tightening regulations and pro-labor/workers rights platforms. You could make the case that it's not the face of the party, but it's still there.



This sounds like the Foreign Counterintelligence Program and General Defense Intelligence program power being extended to a new government committee. It's sounds like more government waste as agencies already have this power. However, I could see why this would be a cause for concern specifically because it's somewhat vague, but mostly because people aren't familiar with the powers these agencies already hold. I'm still skeptical on the censorship and suppression of news claims, however.

the face of the Democratic party was literally Neo-liberalism in 2016, and it has been as such since Bill Clinton.

The neo-liberals piggy back off "progressivism" and give good lip-service but its very clear that they're snake oil salesmen with no real interest in trade unions or the working class

As for the legislation; the congressional committees determine what are "falsehoods" and who "agents of influence" are