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☑︎#VoteDemocrat said:
again, what is the actual question? I keep answering you in detail and you keep gaslighting me about my elaborate responses.
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You're making claims about the popularity of trans stances and asserting that pushback is necessary, but you're avoiding the practical issues I raised.

How would Democrats communicate this stance in a way that counters Republican smears, where truth doesn't matter?

Simply dismissing the issue as "unpopular" doesn't explain a strategy for addressing stigma or public perception. Even in the survey you keep spamming, the issue is perception, and not just on trans issues, but on things like EV uptake, decriminalizing border crossings, and funnily enough, "defunding the police." The last one is the best, because Harris was portrayed as both a tough-on-crime hard-ass and a soft-on-crime wuss who wanted to "defund the police."

What happens when the target shifts to other marginalized groups?

You ignored how Democrats would reassure those groups after setting the precedent of throwing trans people under the bus. You argue that pushing back on trans issues is necessary to prevent future problems but ignore the political and social fallout of this approach. You are also ignoring the reality where the right are bad faith actors who don't need a motivation to go after anyone, so thinking dumping trans people will close the door on attacks against other groups, is naive verging on willfully ignorant.

How would this affect trans allies?

You didn't address this at all, and your comment about "actual gays and lesbians" is irrelevant to the question of ally-ship and coalition-building.


If you're arguing for this approach, you need to address these specific issues rather than deflecting to generalizations about trans activism.
 
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Pull Up the Roots said:
You're making claims about the popularity of trans stances and asserting that pushback is necessary, but you're avoiding the practical issues I raised.

How would Democrats communicate this stance in a way that counters Republican smears, where truth doesn't matter?
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Clear statements about what democrats will and will not defend with respect to trans issues. Leadership in democrats are not doing this and are parrying attacks instead of establishing what they believe on this issue. Republicans only do this because democrats have not clarified what they’re defending.
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Simply dismissing the issue as "unpopular" doesn't explain a strategy for addressing stigma or public perception. Even in the survey you keep spamming, the issue is perception, and not just on trans issues, but on things like EV uptake, decriminalizing border crossings, and funnily enough, "defunding the police." The last one is the best, because Harris was portrayed as both a tough-on-crime hard-ass and a soft-on-crime wuss who wanted to "defund the police."
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You’re playing this “it wont matter so we shouldn’t try” nonsense. Again, the lack of clarity by democrats means republicans can exploit the fact they know democrats wont say anything against the trans community. Thats political malpractice. Trump comes out and denies Project 2025, then the media is forced to claim Trump denounces Project 2025. The democrats just dont deny shyt so you think it wouldn’t help.

Pull Up the Roots said:
What happens when the target shifts to other marginalized groups?
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It will always shift, thats why you have to prevent the acceptance of every issue. Unless you think every issue must be accepted regardless of legitimacy. Which is it?
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You ignored how Democrats would reassure those groups after setting the precedent of throwing trans people under the bus. You argue that pushing back on trans issues is necessary to prevent future problems but ignore the political and social fallout of this approach. You are also ignoring the reality where the right are bad faith actors who don't need a motivation to go after anyone, so thinking dumping trans people will close the door on attacks against other groups, is naive verging on willfully ignorant.
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You have to limit the ability of the opposition to exploit a narrowing window on a topic. They’re still going to tag us with the LGB community tag, but they’re exploiting the fact Democrats have not clarified their stance on trans issues. This is the entire thing Seth Moulton was saying. He knows the democrats themselves are supposed to not comment negatively on trans issues but risked doing so anyways…and guess what…he’s winning.
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How would this affect trans allies?
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What are those?
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You didn't address this at all, and your comment about "actual gays and lesbians" is irrelevant to the question of ally-ship and coalition-building.
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Allies have limits, thats why they’re allies
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If you're arguing for this approach, you need to address these specific issues rather than deflecting to generalizations about trans activism.
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This is my 3-4th time addressing this.
 
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☑︎#VoteDemocrat said:
Clear statements about what democrats will and will not defend with respect to trans issues. Leadership in democrats are not doing this and are parrying attacks instead of establishing what they believe on this issue. Republicans only do this because democrats have not clarified what they’re defending.


You’re playing this “it wont matter so we shouldn’t try” nonsense. Again, the lack of clarity by democrats means republicans can exploit the fact they know democrats wont say anything against the trans community. Thats political malpractice. Trump comes out and denies Project 2025, then the media is forced to claim Trump denounces Project 2025. The democrats just dont deny shyt so you think it wouldn’t help.


It will always shift, thats why you have to prevent the acceptance of every issue. Unless you think every issue must be accepted regardless of legitimacy. Which is it?

You have to limit the ability of the opposition to exploit a narrowing window on a topic. They’re still going to tag us with the LGB community tag, but they’re exploiting the fact Democrats have not clarified their stance on trans issues. This is the entire thing Seth Moulton was saying. He knows the democrats themselves are supposed to not comment negatively on trans issues but risked doing so anyways…and guess what…he’s winning.

What are those?

Allies have limits, thats why they’re allies

This is my 3-4th time addressing this.
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The fact that you keep avoiding directly answering these simple question and responding with vague assertions and empty deflections highlights the weakness of your position.

"Republicans only do this because Democrats have not clarified what they're defending"

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