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Where is the bigotry against trans people?

How are they being targeted?

The GOP has not banned trans people or limited their rights.

A trans woman is not a woman. A Trans man is not a man.

how is the UK transphobic?

Do you support this?


What point is being missed?

Sex and gender are different and gender isn’t on official documents.

Identification has to represent reality. Imagine emergency situations.

If you can be trans without modern medicine then why transition?

You haven’t made your point.

Why do trans women deserve the right to who women spaces and participate in womens’ sports?

Theres no universal opinion on everything.

Except you’ve lost this debate



So if they’re not women why should they be entitled to the privileges and privacy afford to women?

Trans people aren’t being discriminated against by being asked to participate in spaces and events with the members of their biological sex.

You asking questions like "where is the bigotry against trans people" (the fukking President on Day 1 issues executive orders negating the very existence of trans identity by the government) and "how is the UK transphobic" (the UK is the home turf of TERFs) indicates you're not very well versed in this issue. The answer to most of the questions you've asked here have already been answered by me in previous posts.
 

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The phenomenon does exist, we don’t need to go into the realm of crazy hypotheticals to downplay the analogy. Some people identify as trans-racial.

https://www.cnn.com/2015/06/16/us/washington-rachel-dolezal-naacp/index.html
Should women like her be able to change her identifiers on government documents based solely on what she identifies as?

Again I’m not trying to delegitimize trans people they should have the freedom to identify as whatever like but the issue is more philosophical than black and white.

Questioning if a trans woman should be able to identify as a woman and if a black male should be able to identify as a white male is more analogous than if a black male should be able to drink out of the same water fountain as a white man due to race.

The first two are selective identifiers
The legitimacy of transracialism has nothing to do with the legitimacy of transgenderism. They're two separate phenomenons with no bearing on each other. So I'm not sure what point there is in invoking transracialism in this discussion.

I was more so referring to the woman’s personality, if she had every personality trait you found attractive, had the type of face and body you found attractive and had a billion in the bank account ready to spend it on you, you wouldn’t let an inch of height stop you. Stop the cap.
I also wouldn't let them being transgender stop me in that case either. I would personally be more attracted to a physically attractive transgender woman who had a great personality than a physically unattractive cis gender woman with a terrible personality.

But again, my personal attraction preferences have no relevance on this discussion. Just because I don't find women with cerebral palsy attractive doesn't mean they're not women.

all I’m saying there should be consistency, on one end you can’t say trans women should be treated exactly like cis women when you personally don’t treat them the same.
I never said trans women should be treated exactly the same as cis women, I said they should be given the same grace, dignity and rights as other women. I don't treat black women exactly the same as I treat white women because of the different social and historical contexts between the two subgroups of women. That doesn't mean I'm inconsistent in my view that both groups should be treated with grace, dignity and have the same rights.
 
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Cowardice indeed.

He is 100% correct, and you see exactly what he's talking about not only on here but also in this emerging movement within the Democratic Party that wants to disengage from standing up for trans people. What Coates is naming isn't just a political calculation, it's a moral one. The hostility toward trans people is not rooted in real concerns or lived experiences. It's manufactured outrage that's being driven by bad-faith actors who can't even name a specific incident in their state, yet are ready to pass laws that scapegoat and harm a tiny, vulnerable population. That's straight up bullying masquerading as policy.

And when people, especially the ones who claim to be on the side of progress, start talking about "pivoting away" from trans rights for the sake of broader appeal, they're only legitimizing that bullying. They're signaling that the lives and dignity of trans people are negotiable. That's cowardice dressed up as pragmatism. That's why Coates is right to say this is about character. If you'll let people be brutalized just because they're politically inconvenient, then you're revealing something deep about your [lack of] values. That kind of "strategy" tells marginalized people they're disposable, and that solidarity is only available when it's easy or popular. And when you do that, you're not building a movement. You're building a hierarchy of who gets to be protected and who doesn't.

People can claim this is purity politics, but it's not. It's about whether we have the spine to stand up for people who are being targeted purely because they're vulnerable. If we can't even do that, then what's the point in all of this?
 
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Cowardice is following a partisan orthodoxy without questioning it then excluding anyone that disagrees. He’s being the bully he actually thinks he’s standing up to
That interpretation misses the core of what Coates is saying. He's not demanding lockstep allegiance to a partisan orthodoxy, he's calling out the moral failure of targeting vulnerable people for political gain, and the greater failure of standing by silently while it happens.

This isn't about excluding people who disagree in good faith. It's about recognizing when that "disagreement" is actually an excuse to dehumanize others. There's a difference between having a different policy opinion and actively enabling cruelty. Coates is saying that if you're fine with that kind of cowardice, if you'd look the other way while someone gets metaphorically punched because it helps you win, then no, we're not on the same side. That's not bullying. That's drawing a moral line. And he is right.
 

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🇺 profgalloway.com
He’s so good at this.

[QUOTED POST]
🇺 ‪@petebuttigieg.bsky.social‬
I want politics to be about a better everyday life.

Here's what that can look like:
https://video.bsky.app/watch/did:pl...vxka4bvgfzhsmkwsxzuwoizd7skaee4/playlist.m3u8

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🇺 themelburnienne.bsky.social
This man is President material - he's not a corrupt malignant narcissist - he is courageous, intellectual and deeply ethical

...and there is no Republican, or even RW, equivalent

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🇺 thelegionofdecency.bsky.social
I love him too, but the problem is that the government has not done this. It didn't happen in the 8 years Obama said the same thing and I also LOVE Obama. If Dems get elected and don't do for people, we end up with Trump because people are pissed.

@petebuttigieg.bsky.social

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🇺 loydchampion.bsky.social
Pete should be our next President.

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🇺 spankymccracken.bsky.social
I would vote for him, and I'm in Australia.
@petebuttigieg.bsky.social and @katieporteroc.bsky.social

Two superheroes

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🇺 libragal.bsky.social
He’s amazing. I hope he runs again. He’s a smart, practical, empathetic individual. The complete antithesis of what’s gotten elected. 😔

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🇺 bluejwoo.bsky.social
He needs to be our next President. I just don’t know if the American people are mature enough to vote for him though.

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🇺 michaelbuckelew.bsky.social
That’s my thing. The guy is obviously super qualified enough to be president. But given the shyt show we’ve had learning the country can’t elect a woman, I’m not all that thrilled about seeing how homophobic the swing states are.

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🇺 moocowsue.bsky.social
If anyone could win them over it is Pete.

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🇺 kyflyboy.bsky.social
Maybe our best hope in 2028.

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🇺 emubroz.bsky.social
This is how to get the Bro’s keep it simple, relatable, bring it down to things they can empathise with ,so they slowly realise that Dem’s are not the boogeyman they’ve been told about, you have to go on all these bloody podcasts to get every group but its the podcasts and social media era.

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🇺 mjotto.bsky.social
He is always the smartest person in the room. Listening to him is a balm for our troubled souls.
We need him but he won't be accepted by enough people.

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🇺 geneticsmike7.bsky.social
100%

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🇺 fairlyvocal.bsky.social
Buttiegieg is the Obama we need right now.

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🇺 nancyroth.bsky.social
He is better than good at this. He is intelligent, classy,fearless. ❣️💙💙💙💙

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🇺 jsburns.bsky.social
I wish America were enlightened and liberated enough to be willing to vote for gay folks.

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🇺 moocowsue.bsky.social
If anyone can win them over it is Pete.

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🇺 omasue.bsky.social
Yes Pete. But.. MAGA America will crush him because he is gay. I have an evangelical brother in law and it will be a tough slog. The intolerance they have of gay community in America is intense and personal to them. When I say Pope Francis would not judge. It fell on deaf ears.

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🇺 moocowsue.bsky.social
If anyone can enough of those folks over it is Pete.

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🇺 moocowsue.bsky.social
If anyone can 'win' enough...

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🇺 heckuvajo.bsky.social
Notice how he frames things in terms of freedom. This is reframing we need - liberal policies increase freedom and American quality of life.

The Right also aspires to freedom, but they have a very different notion of what that means.

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🇺 infinitynow.bsky.social
Freedom to discriminate, oppress and bully is not real freedom.
We need to take back the words patriotism and freedom.

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🇺 making-good.bsky.social
Exactly!! He brings things back to the simple truths

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🇺 making-good.bsky.social
And yes, we need to reclaim patriotism and what freedom means.

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🇺 honorabledf.bsky.social
I listened to the whole interview. He never lost a step in nearly 3 hours. He should be doing this every day on a host of platforms.

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🇺 luthere.bsky.social
He never dodged a question in nearly 3 hours!

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🇺 making-good.bsky.social
This making me want to check it out, thanks for the prompt

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🇺 making-good.bsky.social
Just watched half of it, you guys were not wrong - the conversation is epic

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🇺 tamarish.bsky.social
Guy is brilliant!

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🇺 storyfella.bsky.social
Buttigieg 2028

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🇺 katrinawte.bsky.social
And he means every word of it.

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🇺 nedwilcox.bsky.social
Dude is good at pretty much everything. He's brilliant.

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🇺 drscout.bsky.social
My libertarian friend wanted Pete to win the primary in 2019. He’s got wide appeal. Not Gavin Newsom. He is demonized as much as Biden and Hillary.

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🇺 touchstones.bsky.social
Epitome of authentic. On point and goes straight at the eggshells. (They will try and screw with him for being gay.) He can handle it. Turn their ugly arrows into lemonade. You're right Scott, this guy's got the stuff for this moment. The stuff to win and make positive change happen. Love him.

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🇺 joeadamblah.bsky.social
Watch the whole interview! They ask tons of insightful questions about his sexuality (and they screw with him a bit, but it’s harmless)

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🇺 xcal927.bsky.social
PPE First in two years. Pembroke, Oxford.

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🇺 hmmmbuzz.bsky.social
Philosophy, Politics, Economics…

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🇺 kd-novascotia.bsky.social
Let's make him our next President.

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🇺 galekrn.bsky.social
👍💯

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🇺 ericconk.bsky.social
Totally agree, Pete has that rare combo of clarity, composure, and substance.

He doesn’t just talk at people, he speaks to them. Feels like someone trying to build something, not just win something.

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🇺 pentictonpal.bsky.social
Live him!!! So articulate and smart!

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🇺 spindoc627.bsky.social
And you want your kids not to be shot, killed or maimed at school.

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🇺 edgarz.bsky.social
He is too good for the US...

In Europe @petebuttigieg.bsky.social would have governed a major country already, if not the EU.

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🇺 reigncheckers.bsky.social
In fairness he ought to have a bit more life experience in political roles first. I'd root for him as VP in a heartbeat.

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🇺 edgarz.bsky.social
Fair point. Although from my perspective the politcal roles will also spoil the freshness and openess of his vision.

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🇺 pablosegarraesq.bsky.social
He ran a city that’s not even the size of borough of New York City.

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🇺 doslosgatos.bsky.social
Pete ran a department larger than most states. He has military/foreign policy/intelligence experience. a Naval Reserves Intel officer for 7 years and deployed to Afghanistan for 7 months. He managed 55k employees and a budget of $400 billion, drafted and managed the BIL and 72,000 projects.

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🇺 pablosegarraesq.bsky.social
And did what with that department? He focused on EVs and look where that went.

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🇺 doslosgatos.bsky.social
Buttigieg drafted and implemented the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law and managed $700 billion worth of funding, standing up over 40 new teams at USDOT to administer the funding and execution of 72,000 projects nationwide. 22,000 were completed before Buttigieg left office.

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🇺 larry1504.bsky.social
We need more people like Pete and others to set a high bar for the richest society in the world.
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The legitimacy of transracialism has nothing to do with the legitimacy of transgenderism. They're two separate phenomenons with no bearing on each other. So I'm not sure what point there is in invoking transracialism in this discussion.


I also wouldn't let them being transgender stop me in that case either. I would personally be more attracted to a physically attractive transgender woman who had a great personality than a physically unattractive cis gender woman with a terrible personality.

But again, my personal attraction preferences have no relevance on this discussion. Just because I don't find women with cerebral palsy attractive doesn't mean they're not women.


I never said trans women should be treated exactly the same as cis women, I said they should be given the same grace, dignity and rights as other women. I don't treat black women exactly the same as I treat white women because of the different social and historical contexts between the two subgroups of women. That doesn't mean I'm inconsistent in my view that both groups should be treated with grace, dignity and have the same rights.
I’ll concede because I feel dirty taking a devils advocate position opposite of full civil rights for a minority group. I was taking the position for a broader point, I’m fully against exclusionary puritan politics for an issue that is more morally grey than black or white.
 

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You asking questions like "where is the bigotry against trans people" (the fukking President on Day 1 issues executive orders negating the very existence of trans identity by the government) and "how is the UK transphobic" (the UK is the home turf of TERFs) indicates you're not very well versed in this issue. The answer to most of the questions you've asked here have already been answered by me in previous posts.
Where is the bigotry against trans people? All they were asked to do is to participate in the same rules that the rest of us are.
 
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