Democratic Party Rebuild

[Loose]

This is fukking crazy to think about lol. Praising a guy who essentially ruined politics is nuts

 

[King Kreole]

FDR wasn’t a champion for black people. In fact one could ask, would he be able to pass the new deal if blacks weren’t subjugated? Would he still want to pass it?

So? Reagan gave amnesty to 3 million illegal immigrants, you think that's stopped racist Republicans from using his mythology to rally their people around their political agenda? Americans are completely historically illiterate. The legacy of the FDR and the New Deal could easily be polished up and retrofitted for a program of class and race justice. FDR is a fukking nuclear weapon of a political icon. The fact that the Democrats refuse to pick him up is an act of grievous political malpractice for an ostensibly liberal party...unless they're not actually that liberal. But if you think FDR was too racist for the Democrats to use in political messaging...what the hell do you think about them using Reagan and George W Bush instead??

 

[Outlaw]

This is fukking crazy to think about lol. Praising a guy who essentially ruined politics is nuts

There’s a realignment happening right now. Democrats are positioning themselves to be the party of the liberal world order that America has been since WW2 and Republicans are the party of fascism and isolationism.

 

[King Kreole]

There’s a realignment happening right now. Democrats are positioning themselves to be the party of the liberal world order that America has been since WW2 and Republicans are the party of fascism and isolationism.

Utterly disastrous, suicidal move by the Democrats if they allow this to happen.

 

[Outlaw]

So? Reagan gave amnesty to 3 million illegal immigrants, you think that's stopped racist Republicans from using his mythology to rally their people around their political agenda? Americans are completely historically illiterate. The legacy of the FDR and the New Deal could easily be polished up and retrofitted for a program of class and race justice. FDR is a fukking nuclear weapon of a political icon. The fact that the Democrats refuse to pick him up is an act of grievous political malpractice for an ostensibly liberal party...unless they're not actually that liberal. But if you think FDR was too racist for the Democrats to use in political messaging...what the hell do you think about them using Reagan and George W Bush instead??

FDR’s administration was objectively more racist towards black people than Reagan or Bush but that’s not the point.

The point of using Reagan against the republicans is to show how far they’ve fallen and abandoned their previous principles at the altar of Donald Trump.

It’s political messaging and in theory invoking Reagan would be more effective political messaging than digging up FDR from the grave who no one other than lefties or liberals think about

 

[Outlaw]

Utterly disastrous, suicidal move by the Democrats if they allow this to happen.

Don’t think so. I think the American left is out of touch with what the median American actually cares about.

The branding of the democrats are seen as too “weird” right now and if they were more “normal” they would be more appealing to the low info median voter. Small sample size but when I talk politics with people who don’t vote democrat in real life they usually bring up the gender shyt as a major reason they are turned off from Dems..

I’m a shill for the Democrats in real life like I am on here so of course I offer pushback saying the sexuality shyt doesn’t impact their lives at all but they don’t care.

Dems not doing enough from an economic standpoint never comes up from them

 

[King Kreole]

FDR’s administration was objectively more racist towards black people than Reagan or Bush but that’s not the point.

The point of using Reagan against the republicans is to show how far they’ve fallen and abandoned their previous principles at the altar of Donald Trump.

Democrats have been trying to beat Republicans over the head with "b-b-but hypocrisy!" for this entire political era and the Republicans just laugh as they step around the manhole. The only people who feel ashamed here are Democrats annoyed with being saddled with the vestiges of a more humane, liberal ideology. Republicans are winning, they're not going to have a come to Jesus moment. This isn't a Disney movie.

It’s political messaging and in theory invoking Reagan would be more effective political messaging than digging up FDR from the grave who no one other than lefties or liberals think about

To the extent "no one thinks about FDR" it's because Democrats refuse to embrace him. He's perpetually in the top 3 of President rankings and he has all the features needed to be a highly effective political totem. He literally said "Put plainly, we are steering a steady course toward economic oligarchy, if we are not there already." then saved the country from the Great Depression! Does that ring a bell? He was the fukkin World War II president and beat Hitler! For all the talk of Orange Hitler and resurgent fascism/nazism, sure would be great to be able to use the political iconography of the guy who beat the real thing!

 

[King Kreole]

Don’t think so. I think the American left is out of touch with what the median American actually cares about.

The branding of the democrats are seen as too “weird” right now and if they were more “normal” they would be more appealing to the low info median voter. Small sample size but when I talk politics with people who don’t vote democrat in real life they usually bring up the gender shyt as a major reason they are turned off from Dems..

I’m a shill for the Democrats in real life like I am on here so of course I offer pushback saying the sexuality shyt doesn’t impact their lives at all but they don’t care.

Dems not doing enough from an economic standpoint never comes up from them

We literally just got a taste of how it goes when Democrats positioning themselves to be the party of the liberal world order that America has been since WW2 and Republicans position themselves as the party of fascism and isolationism, and the result was Democrats losing the popular vote for the first time in 20 years and losing every swing state. You want to run it back?

 

[Outlaw]

Democrats have been trying to beat Republicans over the head with "b-b-but hypocrisy!" for this entire political era and the Republicans just laugh as they step around the manhole. The only people who feel ashamed here are Democrats annoyed with being saddled with the vestiges of a more humane, liberal ideology. Republicans are winning, they're not going to have a come to Jesus moment. This isn't a Disney movie.

To the extent "no one thinks about FDR" it's because Democrats refuse to embrace him. He's perpetually in the top 3 of President rankings and he has all the features needed to be a highly effective political totem. He literally said "Put plainly, we are steering a steady course toward economic oligarchy, if we are not there already." then saved the country from the Great Depression! Does that ring a bell? He was the fukkin World War II president and beat Hitler! For all the talk of Orange Hitler and resurgent fascism/nazism, sure would be great to be able to use the political iconography of the guy who beat the real thing!

Good points, I agree Dems should use the ideal of FDR more but I think getting upset at Dems using Reagan as a hard counter for Republicans busting it wide open for Putin is purposely getting mad over nothing

 

[Outlaw]

We literally just got a taste of how it goes when Democrats positioning themselves to be the party of the liberal world order that America has been since WW2 and Republicans position themselves as the party of fascism and isolationism, and the result was Democrats losing the popular vote for the first time in 20 years and losing every swing state. You want to run it back?

Yes because America didn’t reject the liberal world order, they rejected a black woman. America is still very racist and misogynist.

Biden whooped Trump’s ass as an incumbent basically running on preserving the liberal world order

 

[King Kreole]

Good points, I agree Dems should use the ideal of FDR more but I think getting upset at Dems using Reagan as a hard counter for Republicans busting it wide open for Putin is purposely getting mad over nothing

I just think Democrats have a complete misunderstanding of the political moment if they think it's worthwhile to make their primary rhetorical approach calling out Republican hypocrisy by saying "actually, we're the real party of Reagan!"

If the future is going to be the right talking about deporting "criminal aliens" to bring down inflation and stopping crime while Democrats talk why we need to keep spending hundreds of billions of dollars supporting wars in Estonia and Finland because of Cold War domino theory, we're all fukked.

 

[King Kreole]

Yes because America didn’t reject the liberal world order, they rejected a black woman. America is still very racist and misogynist.

Biden was on pace to get absolutely slaughtered far worse than Kamala.

Biden whooped Trump’s ass as an incumbent basically running on preserving the liberal world order

Biden ran on returning to normal from Trump's COVID chaos and domestic unrest, not giving Ukraine a blank check to overthrow Russia.

 

[Outlaw]

Biden was on pace to get absolutely slaughtered far worse than Kamala.

If Biden was 10 years younger he’d beat Trump

Biden ran on returning to normal from Trump's COVID chaos and domestic unrest, not giving Ukraine a blank check to overthrow Russia.

Biden repairing our relationship with our allies also played a role in him winning.

 

[Micky Mikey]

Don’t think so. I think the American left is out of touch with what the median American actually cares about.

The branding of the democrats are seen as too “weird” right now and if they were more “normal” they would be more appealing to the low info median voter. Small sample size but when I talk politics with people who don’t vote democrat in real life they usually bring up the gender shyt as a major reason they are turned off from Dems..

I’m a shill for the Democrats in real life like I am on here so of course I offer pushback saying the sexuality shyt doesn’t impact their lives at all but they don’t care.

Dems not doing enough from an economic standpoint never comes up from them

I would be curious to see the type of news and social media content absorbed by the people you've talked to. I've spoken with people irl who've said similar things and 99% of the time its not that they're low information. They're in an information bubble of lies, half truths and misinformation.

The stark truth is that a lot of people don't even know what to care about and reflexively adopt whatever political position their social media algorithm leads them to. We need to grasp that we are presently in the midst of one of the largest social engineering experiements in human history via social media. It partly explains why our politics have become so fractured and why the positions of voters seem to always be illogical and contradictory relative to their lived experiences. This is information warfare and the right is winning by default due to their proximity to capital. That's the larger issue at hand here.
How do Dems even begin to compete with this, when the right has billions of dollars in resources to brand them as weird regardless of whatever their positions are? Its incredible that Democrats are still even able to win in this environment.

As it pertains to this past election, I struggle to find real examples of Kamala aggresively championing LGBTQ rights during her campaign. Her campaign went the extra mile to appeal to moderates and still lost.

 

[Nero Christ]

This is fukking crazy to think about lol. Praising a guy who essentially ruined politics is nuts

I'll never not be sick of dems aiding the pr rehabilitation of Bush Jr.