Defining the "African-American"

[Apollo Creed]

Wow... I expected better from you. All humans share a common ancestor, but not all humans(Eurasians) carry genetic traits that are unique to AFRICANS which make them cluster with one another. Same as Eurasians have undergone SNP events or in laymen terms "mutations" that are not found in Africa and thus they are not African or closely related yo Africans. No, lets NOT dead it. How about you look up the PN2 clade like I told you to, which unites all of Africa. The ancestors of Ethiopians and Angolans descend from this clade and it is only found in Africa.

And again STOP comparing Chinese and Indians, there was NO constant moment of people in Asia like there was in Africa.

So you're argument is the "PN2" Clade is what defines Race? Yes or no?

 

[Blackout]

lol at this point just stop quoting me, because you're having a convo with someone else or something.

Im having a convo with you which was sparked when you went against me saying that those who say that "AAs are the only black people" are wrong according to the rules of the concept of race.

 

[Apollo Creed]

So now we're changing it to only black folks? What happened to black only being used by white supremacy?

I`m asking for when was Black used outside of the system of White Supremacy, thus the statement "When did "blacks" refer to each other as "blacks"" pre- White Supremacy.

If the concept of "Black" is Law and not a construct of White Supremacy/terms coined by "Non Blacks", where are the receipts of it?

 

[Apollo Creed]

Im having a convo with you which was sparked when you went against me saying that those who say that "AAs are the only black people" are wrong according to the rules of the concept of race.

 

[Blackout]

So basically you start something yet run off with insults when I respond?

What kind of childish shyt that you are doing.

 

[Apollo Creed]

So basically you start something yet run off with insults when I respond?

What kind of childish shyt that you are doing.

There was nothing to start, you just lack comprehension skills

 

[Blackout]

There was nothing to start, you just lack comprehension skills

I comprehended everything you said.

We get that before white people created it the concept of race didnt exist and it was just ethnicity.

What you fail to grasp is that this is a discussion of the concept that they created and the rules and that is what you contended when you went against my post in the first place.

 

[Apollo Creed]

I comprehended everything you said.

We get that before white people the concept of race didnt exist and it was just ethnicity.

What you fail to grasp is that this is a discussion of the concept that they created and the rules and that is what you contended when you went against my post in the first place.

bruh just STFU.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

So you're argument is the "PN2" Clade is what defines Race? Yes or no?

No, that is not what I said. In a deep biological sense race can not be defined, but still certain groups cluster with each other because they carry signature clades. Which is why there is a such thing as being "genetically African" or "genetically European." Race is really only defined by phenotype. How the heck can the pn2 clade define race when the Pn2 clade is only found in Africans! Anyways YES, Africans very diverse genetically obviously because they are the source population for all humanity. The older a population the more genetic variation/diversity it has.


But greater diversity does NOT mean less relativity. For example chimps are even older than humans which is why their genetic diversity is even greater still. Two individual chimpanzees of the same population in the same forest have more genetic variations than say all the people in New York if I remember correctly, but that does not mean they are unrelated. That is not how genetic diversity works! And like I keep telling you, you CAN'T repeat CAN'T compare Africans to Asians like Indians and Chinese because unlike with the continent of Asia the people in Africa related to each other because of constant gene-flow that has occurred throughout the continent since prehistoric times such as the PN2 clade for example that is found from southern Africa all the way to northern Africa, though there are other SNP clades and even other genetic factors like blood groupings, HLA, etc that again show constant gene-flow and interbreeding between various African groups. Geneflow has between different populations has occurred in Eurasia but not to the same extent as Africa. Which is why there is a decline between South Asians like Indians and Pakistanis and East Asians like Chinese and Japanese. This is due to longer periods of isolation caused by geographical features like mountain ranges. Though overall Eurasians are all related to each other since they all descend from a small population that left east Africa during prehistoric times. This is why East Africans out of all Africans have the most relation to Eurasians NOT because they are Eurasian mixed, but because Eurasians descend from them. East Africans themselves are merely a subset of the larger and more extensively diverse genepool of Africans. So yes Angolans and Ethiopians are RELATED to each other. While race might not be defined biologically, there is a such thing as being genetically African.

Also Europeans are a very homogeneous population and cluster very closely with one another.

 

[Blackout]

bruh just STFU.

Prove me wrong or keep it moving.

I have no time for childish games.

 

[Apollo Creed]

No, stop flipping what I am saying. In a deep biological scale race can not be defined, but still certain groups cluster with each other because they carry signature clades. Which is why there is a such thing as being "genetically African" or "genetically European." Race is really only defined by phenotype. How the heck can the pn2 clade define race when the Pn2 clade is only found in Africans! Anyways YES, Africans very diverse genetically obviously because they are the source population for all humanity. The older a population the more genetic variation/diversity it has.


But greater diversity does NOT mean less relativity. For example chimps are even older than humans which is why their genetic diversity is even greater still. Two individual chimpanzees of the same population in the same forest have more genetic variations than say all the people in New York if I remember correctly, but that does not mean they are unrelated. That is not how genetic diversity works! And like I keep telling you, you CAN'T repeat CAN'T compare Africans to Asians like Indians and Chinese because unlike with the continent of Asia the people in Africa related to each other because of constant gene-flow that has occurred throughout the continent since prehistoric times such as the PN2 clade for example that is found from southern Africa all the way to northern Africa, though there are other SNP clades and even other genetic factors like blood groupings, HLA, etc that again show constant gene-flow and interbreeding between various African groups. Geneflow has between different populations has occurred in Eurasia but not to the same extent as Africa. Which is why there is a decline between South Asians like Indians and Pakistanis and East Asians like Chinese and Japanese. This is due to longer periods of isolation caused by geographical features like mountain ranges. Though overall Eurasians are all related to each other since they all descend from a small population that left east Africa during prehistoric times. This is why East Africans out of all Africans have the most relation to Eurasians NOT because they are Eurasian mixed, but because Eurasians descend from them. East Africans themselves are merely a subset of the larger and more extensively diverse genepool of Africans. So yes Angolans and Ethiopians are RELATED to each other. While race might not be defined biologically, there is a such thing as being genetically African.

Also Europeans are a very homogeneous population and cluster very closely with one another.

You can go ahead continue to use genetics and science to try to make sense out of something not based on logic if you want.


If you think the machine of White Supremacy decided to treat people of African origin world wide like sh*t because of the PN2 Clade or whatever more power to you with that one bro.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Its seems like you're being thick headed and refusing to understand where I'm coming from. You questioned that Ethiopians and Angolans are related and compared that relationship them to Indians and Chinese. I gave you two in depth posts, especially the recent one explaining how they are related.You keep bringing up RACE when I said in a biological sense its not supported, but instead I said some groups are more related than one another compared to others. This has nothing to do with race and yet you sill brought up race. You're the one who made the bold statement of questioning if Ethiopians and Angolans are related. I was just holding you responsible for that one statement.

Anyways my thread is going back on topic, which is about defining the ethnicity of African-Americans and the ethnic origins of African-American. If you guys want to continue this discussion then make another thread.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Its seems like you're being thick headed and refusing to understand where I'm coming from. You questioned that Ethiopians and Angolans are related and compared that relationship them to Indians and Chinese. I gave you two in depth posts, especially the recent one explaining how they are related.You keep bringing up RACE when I said in a biological sense its not supported, but instead I said some groups are more related than one another compared to others. This has nothing to do with race and yet you sill brought up race. You're the one who made the bold statement of questioning if Ethiopians and Angolans are related. I was just holding you responsible for that one statement.

Anyways my thread is going back on topic, which is about defining the ethnicity of African-Americans and the ethnic origins of African-American. If you guys want to continue this discussion then make another thread.

The concept of Race was brought up to support African American being an Ethnic thing not a Racial one. See my comparison of how African American is to the US as a Yoruba person is to Nigeria.

I then bring up that numerous people with parents from different parts of the Dispora yet all born in the US would all be Black Americans under the rules of White Supremacy.

I`m standing by my stance of "Black" being a Social Construct or a Pillar of White Supremacy and not one based off of logic and science, because if we want to go off of Logic and Science we would be better off as all calling ourselves Africans for ease of grouping each other more so than Black. The Term Black was Assigned to us by White Supremacy it has no scientific connection to us thus you cannot expect "Black People" around the world to understand the Rules of White Supremacy in one part of the world where in their part of the world White Supremacy exists but under different rules. Thus my argument Ignorance to White Supremacy is not the same as Refusing to acknowledge it exists. You have people in every nation who refuse to acknowledge it exists so the "immigrant" thing can be tossed out the window when you have Native Americans such as Jesse Lee Peterson and Stacy Dash who refuse to accept it (whether they believe it or are being paid to say what they say is another topic).

I never strayed off topic, this topic was derailed by people who lack comprehension skills.

 

[Apollo Creed]

And me saying I`m not the same "Race" as an Ethiopian is not me saying He is not my Brother.

 

[Blackout]

There CashEsq goes again saying what we already know.

Talking about the rules of the racial social construct is not me saying its based off of logic and science.

This guy is always putting words in my mouth.