Declare control of a city & region and then lose it in 22 hours brehs.

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This whole thing just proved than other than nukes (that who knows if they even fukking work at this point) Russia ain't shyt, terrible look for them this war, America would had freedomed that piece of land in less than a week :salute:

The thing is experience counts. This Russian commanders only learned from war with books. America goes to war every 10 years. China would get washed as well. They haven't gone to war in 200 years lol
Russia and China about to put their foot up America's ass.
 

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I have so many questions. Why did they even invade the Ukraine?

And why do so many Americans dikk ride Russians even tho they hate America?

Ukraine is pivotal to Russia's geographic defenses and trade routes.

The beef is: unlike Belarus, Ukraine is not loyal to Russia. They been playing footsie with Russia's rivals. NATO and the EU.

Putin cannot have NATO in his living room. So either Ukraine get down with the Russian program or Putin is on their head.

Imagine if Mexico started trying to join with China and Russia and become their ally. We'd invade that shyt tomorrow.

Problem Putin is having is that he went from posturing to swinging on them and they wasn't folding that easy. So now they tussling with the bully (and the crowd is handing Ukraine objects) and the actual fight game is not matching the posturing.

For the sake of the planet, someone needs to remove Putin.
 

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To the second part, Republicans used to be vehemently anti Russia (in words, if not business practices at least) until they got in bed with Trump and then all of his ignorant moronic rubes switched over to thinking Russia is a friend. Additionally, they like that Putin is a white supremacist authoritarian leader which is what they would like to see in the US.
I used to wonder about this shift. B/c for the longest, conservatives were all about the red scare. Then all of a sudden we got a bunch of pro-Russia sentiments.
Russians are what conservatives want America to be. It's a white country country with a strong white leader that oppresses minority groups.
Damn shame. :mjlol:
 

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Ukraine is pivotal to Russia's geographic defenses and trade routes.

The beef is: unlike Belarus, Ukraine is not loyal to Russia. They been playing footsie with Russia's rivals. NATO and the EU.

Putin cannot have NATO in his living room. So either Ukraine get down with the Russian program or Putin is on their head.

Imagine if Mexico started trying to join with China and Russia and become their ally. We'd invade that shyt tomorrow.

Problem Putin is having is that he went from posturing to swinging on them and they wasn't folding that easy. So now they tussling with the bully (and the crowd is handing Ukraine objects) and the actual fight game is not matching the posturing.

For the sake of the planet, someone needs to remove Putin.
Thanks for the breakdown!
 

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Absolutely humiliating for Putin
There are already officials in Russia calling for the use of "low yield" nuclear weapons. The rational thing would be for Russian forces to go home and take the L. With Putin's ego I wouldn't be surprised if he escalates things even further.

He's running out of options. Early on Macron and others were basically arguing that the only way to stop this was by providing Putin an off ramp. But at this point, with much of the Russian front falling apart and even their gains now under threat - not to mention the threat of Crimea being invaded - where can Putin go? We've reached mobilization. He's claiming that if Ukraine attempts to retake annexed land he will move to nuclear weapons. I don't believe that, but...what other option does he have?

Where is the path? IF he thinks he can simply drop a nuke and scare the world into allowing annexation he's got to be mentally ill because that's not happening. It'll spark an immediate US response and the end result will be the decimation of Russian forces in Ukraine. At which point he's got to decide whether he wants to spark nuclear war with the US or retreat.
 

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Ukraine is pivotal to Russia's geographic defenses and trade routes.

The beef is: unlike Belarus, Ukraine is not loyal to Russia. They been playing footsie with Russia's rivals. NATO and the EU.

Putin cannot have NATO in his living room. So either Ukraine get down with the Russian program or Putin is on their head.

Imagine if Mexico started trying to join with China and Russia and become their ally. We'd invade that shyt tomorrow.

Problem Putin is having is that he went from posturing to swinging on them and they wasn't folding that easy. So now they tussling with the bully (and the crowd is handing Ukraine objects) and the actual fight game is not matching the posturing.

For the sake of the planet, someone needs to remove Putin.

this russophilic bullshyt

ukraine started cozying up to nato after putin invaded crimea
 

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this russophilic bullshyt

ukraine started cozying up to nato after putin invaded crimea

I'm not on Putin's side.

Putin is our mortal enemy.

I think it's important to know WHY people are doing shyt. Especially enemies.

Not able to debate the exact timeline, but think of the example of Mexico joining America's enemies. We would never allow it.

So thats the premise. Putin is still a madman and I pray for his downfall.
 

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I'm not on Putin's side.

Putin is our mortal enemy.

I think it's important to know WHY people are doing shyt. Especially enemies.

Not able to debate the exact timeline, but think of the example of Mexico joining America's enemies. We would never allow it.

So thats the premise. Putin is still a madman and I pray for his downfall.

Zimmermann Telegram (1917)​


This telegram, written by German Foreign Secretary Arthur Zimmermann, is a coded message sent to Mexico, proposing a military alliance against the United States. The obvious threats to the United States contained in the telegram inflamed American public opinion against Germany and helped convince Congress to declare war against Germany in 1917.

Between 1914 and the spring of 1917, the European nations engaged in a conflict that became known as World War I. While armies battled in Europe, the United States remained neutral. In 1916 Woodrow Wilson was elected President for a second term, largely because of the slogan "He kept us out of war." Events in early 1917 would change that hope.

In January of 1917, British cryptographers deciphered a telegram from German Foreign Minister Arthur Zimmermann to the German Minister to Mexico, von Eckhardt, offering United States territory to Mexico in return for joining the German cause. To protect their intelligence from detection and to capitalize on growing anti-German sentiment in the United States, the British waited to present the telegram to President Wilson. Meanwhile, frustration over the effective British naval blockade caused Germany to break its pledge to limit submarine warfare. In response, the United States severed diplomatic relations with Germany in February.

On February 24 Britain released the Zimmermann telegram to Wilson, and news of the telegram was published widely in the American press on March 1. The telegram had such an impact on American opinion that, according to David Kahn, author of The Codebreakers, "No other single cryptanalysis has had such enormous consequences." It is his opinion that "never before or since has so much turned upon the solution of a secret message." On April 6, 1917, the United States Congress formally declared war on Germany and its allies. The Zimmermann telegram clearly had helped draw the United States into the war and thus changed the course of the war, which ended with an armistice, an agreement in which both sides agree to stop fighting, on November 11, 1918.


 

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I have so many questions. Why did they even invade the Ukraine?

And why do so many Americans dikk ride Russians even tho they hate America?
The newly annexed regions of Ukraine that are now Russias were being attacked by Ukraine Azov Nazis since 2014 after Ukraines democratically elected president was forcefully removed from power because he had no desires to join NATO and wanted friendly relations with Russia. Majority of the people living in those areas saw themselves as Russians since they spoke Russian and culturally they were Russian.

A Special Military Operation was declared with a goal of protecting Russian citizens and eliminating the Nazi threat. Now that those independent Ukraine regions are officially part of Russia any attacks towards them are seen as attacks on Russia itself. Ukraine military are now seen as terrorists and everyone involved with helping them all the way up to Zelensky are officially fair game. Zelensky was warned several times during the Special Military Operation to stop the bullshyt. They will no longer be warning him and will start unleashing their real war time arsenal. Russia using older weapons and a small military compared to what they actually have has managed to destroy majority of Ukraines military weapons and annex the territory they set out to from the start.

What is happening is actually historic. Russia is not fighting Ukraine they are fighting western nations that have been holding the rest of the world hostage through its global economic system and military (NATO). Countries that defy them get sanctioned until economies collapse or they get invaded. NATO wanted Ukraine as a member so they could park nukes at Russias borders. Russia has been trying to be diplomatic about the situation but US has ignored them and Russia had no choice but to strike first. They have been planning this for years which is why economic sanctions have failed miserably against Russia and have actually backfired and harmed EU nations even worse. This war has caused China and Russia to use alternative ways to transact business outside the US SWIFT banking system. If your country is shut out of this system then your countries economy will never be able to grow. Countries that try to do business with blacklisted nations in other ways can also be targeted. America and Western European nations have no real relationships with developing nations outside of keeping them undeveloped. You can point to actual developments in Africa and other nations from Chinese development deals. You can't do the same for the US and Europe. Only thing you can find is IMF/World Bank loans that entrap developing nations in a never ending debt cycle,
Coups and exploitation of countries natural resources. The old way of the world is dying at the borders of Russia and Ukraine and a new one is being born. The US and its allies can't bully Russia nor China like they could do to Iraq or Libya.
 
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