Deb Antney (Waka's Mom) says Gucci didn't kill Pookie Loc UPDATE: REAL shooter Identified

[Wild self]

That is snitChing. But nobody never really said nothing about it.

Cause the hivemind mentality and the hood loves Gucci like that. Other rappers would have been blasted for being "soft".

 

[Zero]

And NO ONE from pookie loc's side exposed him after all these years? bullshyt! It definitely woulda came out that night he performed That Truth in ole boys hometown

This woman got on that podcast gossip circuit, got gassed up, and is now tryna slide her bullshyt in-between the truth to keep the attention we prolly got another decade of industry people and artists doing before the finesse and the money falls off

And you got nikkas gobbling this shyt up like cherry cobbler and ice cream

 

[Flawdaboi]

Believe the gang bruh from who tried to retaliate


Or a rappers mom who's son and herself had beef with gucci


Hmmmmm

 

[murksiderock]

Because rappers pick and choose who they wanna label a snitch. Ala Boosie

Not even just rappers, people in general. Prison is like an all-boys high school, it's a popularity contest. I've seen dudes defend rapists to the points of riding out with them because they like em on their side. Prison and the real world seen guys defend snitching with all kinds of creative justifications if the dude has enough money or inspires enough fear or is likeable enough....

Gucci was publicly snitching around that time. We all know Gucci ain't no true to his heart thoroughbred...

 

[DaHNIC82]

Believe hood rats with blonde hair brehs

 

[MoveForward]

I heard he was buried near a school or some shyt like that. That that's where they found him.

Hell naw… nikkas really believe Gucci is a stone cold killer that’s sparking nikkas and dumping their body in the woods or burying them? Gucci ain’t built like that. When he was in Dekalb County jail on that charge he got his ass whooped and got a bunch of his teeth knocked out. Why do y’all think he has those big ass veneers in his mouth? Then he got out and ran off to Alabama to lay low… When he had to come back to Atlanta, he ran back to the nikkas he left in the hood like OJ, Mojo, and Throwback… And joined the bloods at 25

 

[MJ Truth]

There’s a difference between a killer and someone who has killed someone…oddly. Gucci Mane ain’t no killer, he just did what he had to do to save his own life. Killers are psychopaths bro

Here’s the thing though. You kill someone, you’re a killer. Like women, you all seem to be a lot more obsessed with how things “feel” and mind sets as opposed to actual results.

 

[murksiderock]

Here’s the thing though. You kill someone, you’re a killer. Like women, you all seem to be a lot more obsessed with how things “feel” and mind sets as opposed to actual results.

Bruh you know that's not how it works. As a very literal abd technical definition, sure...

You've never seen nikkas arguing and one guy will say to another, "nikka you ain't no killer"? They obviously not referencing the fact that the other guy has an actual body, they talking bout the mindset and behavior associated with the shyt. It's like if you hear dudes debating about money, dudes will say "boy you ain't made/getting no money" ALLLLL the time . It doesn't mean dudes ain't touched no work before, technically if you have sold anything before you sold drugs, right? No matter how small the quantity...

Dudes not talking about a literal definition when they say another dude ain't made no money...

Guys understand Gucci killed a man but don't view him as a killer, there are many situations I've seen this. We ain't talking about the Webster's definition or statute of law ...

 

[malbaker86]

I don't understand why people still interview her or waka still

Waka drop knowledge now and he’s a good interview but he’s going to forever be linked to Gucci

 

[Born2BKing]

Not even just rappers, people in general. Prison is like an all-boys high school, it's a popularity contest. I've seen dudes defend rapists to the points of riding out with them because they like em on their side. Prison and the real world seen guys defend snitching with all kinds of creative justifications if the dude has enough money or inspires enough fear or is likeable enough....

Gucci was publicly snitching around that time. We all know Gucci ain't no true to his heart thoroughbred...

Gucci, literally told the police that Jeezy sent people to try and kill him. Not more blatant than that but still nobody calls him out in the rap game. I think it's a fear thing because Gucci do seem to be missing some screws.

 

[Ohene]

Man Gucci was snitching hard, boy turned in to a detective. Jeezy did it and he has the motive

mad linx was such a try hard

 

[staticshock]

I heard he was buried near a school or some shyt like that. That that's where they found him.

Hell naw… nikkas really believe Gucci is a stone cold killer that’s sparking nikkas and dumping their body in the woods or burying them? Gucci ain’t built like that. When he was in Dekalb County jail on that charge he got his ass whooped and got a bunch of his teeth knocked out. Why do y’all think he has those big ass veneers in his mouth? Then he got out and ran off to Alabama to lay low… When he had to come back to Atlanta, he ran back to the nikkas he left in the hood like OJ, Mojo, and Throwback… And joined the bloods at 25

Nobody has ever said that Gucci dumped his body or buried dude.

When Gucci shot back & hit ol dude, they all ran out the apartment. They all got in a car & dipped back to Macon except for the dude who actually got hit..they left him behind. He ran into a wooded area & eventually collapsed and died. The wooded area just so happened to be next to Columbia Middle School in east Atlanta.

 

[MoveForward]

Man Gucci was snitching hard, boy turned in to a detective. Jeezy did it and he has the motive

This nikka is a rat. This is worst than what Gunna did

 

[RennisDeynolds]

So I made a post three years ago in this thread:

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/has-any-street-rapper-ever-had-their-character-more-assassinated-in-diss-records-than-jeezy.753439/page-8#post-36121577

I'm having trouble finding a post where I've mentioned that it was alleged he Wop wasn't by himself nor the only shooter that evening. Maybe I thought I mentioned it and didn't, either way, it's always been assumed by most that he was the killer but it's definitely passed thru my ears before that he "possibly" wasn't the only shooter that night or the kill shot...

I think the thing is people who would know, couldn't actually say for sure who killed Pookie. It be like that in shootings where there are multiple shooters (if this was the case). Gucci got off on insufficient evidence, which doesn't mean he wasn't thr killer, but it does mean there's a possibility that he wasn't...

Bringing this and my old post up, because in relation to this thread, while most people would assume Deb is lying, I don't doubt that she's confident in what she's saying and wherever she got this information from. Not at all...

When I was hanging around The A some 9 to 10 years ago, everyone I met in the field, if Gucci was a topic, vouched that he's a street dude, no one ever said otherwise, so he's "official" as far as that goes. As I said in my older post, I knew a guy who grew up with dude, would say shyt that only someone who knew him for a minute would know (shyt like describing the crib Wop grew up in or naming family member names, shyt like that, that I don't have committed to memory). The guy I knew was an official dude certainly, again, I never had any reason to think he was fabricating anything and we had this topic of convo in front of other locals, wasn't nobody saying "nah that ain't true"...

That Pookie Loc case gave Gucci a boogeyman rep and aura within hip hop media and fandom that doesn't match who he's known as by people of his era and around this way. He may have killed Pookie, maybe he didn't, but I've said in a couple different threads, this Super Thug image of Wop isn't how cats who knew him, view him. Guc wasn't a dude cats were terrified of, the way I've always understood it, he was one of many cats from his side, in his era, who were getting dirty. He wasn't distinguished as this killing machine amongst his peers, nor was he known as this trap star...

His reputation with drugs isn't in the same stratosphere as Jeezy's, in relation to getting big money....

All this is relevant because Deb has made it a topic of conversation again. I don't know if Gucci killed fam or not, I really don't care, and I don't know Gucci, never met him, nothing I'm saying is something I know beyond a shadow of a doubt...

I trust what I was told by the people who told me, and I don't think Deb is lying, my assumption would be she trusts whatever information she has. Many of you will think she's on a PR tour to shyt on Wop, that's fine, I don't hate that opinion. We all have ours...

But I'll say what also catches my attention besides the aforementioned is something I know I've brought up several times, I just can't find the posts:

Gucci has lived off that body for nearly 18 years now. If he really did it, it's pretty questionable that he spoke about it so much as he did over the years, because he didn't need to. The dudes who tend to speak incessantly, tirelessly about putting something down tend to be nikkas who not natural killers, and I am speaking firsthand about this, I ain't talking about "rapping" about killing something. Everybody and they mama raps about killing something...

The Culture made it so that the body he caught elevated his reputation, which isn't reality outside in most cases. nikkas who are used to keeping the company of shooters and killers aren't wowed at your body, that's for people (which is most people) who AREN'T used to being acquaintances of shooters...

Especially if the circumstances you caught your body was in self-defense or accidental. You not a shooter. Bunch of non-shooters have verified kills because there's a limitless amount of circumstances that can lead to murder. There are dudes who are actual shooters who haven't actually taken a life from their own hand...

I respect Gucci hustle in how he elevated himself within the industry, he's definitely a living legend. But I'm definitely not one of these people who views him as one of the toughest nikkas ever, in part, we know that isn't true. It is what it is. He really was outside. The guy I knew that grew up with him, never characterized him as a shooter nor killer. Not once. Said he had a few shootouts. Never said Gucci was a "shooter", the dudes who are, are defined by that...

As toxic a conversation as this is, strip away celebrity, these are things people outside really conversate about. First of all you don't get away for 18 mocking how you killed someone's homie, that's #1, there are consequences if you're really that brash and disrespectful. But also, if you're found out to claim a killing that isn't yours, people take that personal. The deceased general have friends and family who care about them too...

Long story short, maybe he did off Pookie, but I doubt Deb is lying about this...

You ever met anybody that knew Jeezy back in the day? If so what they day about him?

 

[murksiderock]

You ever met anybody that knew Jeezy back in the day? If so what they day about him?

Nah never met anyone who knew Jeezy. I think it's pretty understood within that culture that he saw some real money before rap. He would be one of very few rappers who came into the game with real paper from dealing, pre-celebrity...

Nobody I've known has ever questioned that, there have been dudes who tried to play him like a BMF flunky, dudes who have said he "soft" in terms of getting busy himself, but as far back as people can trace he was a weight man, dude was trapping really young and had spots in a couple states, alota shyt people who don't like Snow said about him came from the natural envy of cats hating on brothers who have more money and flaunt it...

Both Jeezy and Gucci are street guys but from two different lanes. And their initial beef way the fukk back always felt, to me at least, like it was in part motivated by some envy from Gucci's end. I don't know if early ass interviews and videos are still available online but Gucci was kind of a fan of Jeezy on that tip (money), if you read his body language and how he talked. It's like he looked up to Jeezy a little, and in the aftermath of their fallout seemed to be a hint of envy with fam...