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Politics aside, this movie knows what it's doing. When it casts Charles Bronson, fukking Harmonica from Once Upon A Time in the West, as a liberal who arms himself in response to an attack on his family, it's signaling itself as being, if not a western, in the tradition of one. It's the values that the westerns uphold transported to 1970s New York and made gritty.

Bronson's a boss though and I can't entirely hate a movie as smart as this, even with the evil politics.

7/10, I guess.

A couple more thoughts
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The three men who attack Bronson's wife and daughter never show up again. There's no final confrontation. This is significant, I think, because it makes his fight as being one against all criminals, as opposed to a specific group. It's existential, in a way.
-In 1973, the year the movie came out, almost 1,700 people were murdered in New York City. The movie is a fukking snapshot of the period, it's almost unbelievable.

Also the movies get more and more ridiculous as they go on.
 

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Saw this as a kid, thought it was dope, probably because of the extreme violence, but Im gonna watch it again and give my refreshed thoughts.
 

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Death Wish

I went in with pretty low expectations, as most times I've seen this movie referenced they only mention it as a guilty pleasure film.

It was definitely that, but I enjoyed it more than that. It had some pretty interesting ideas, although it didn't either failed to follow through on or fumbled many of them. I liked the idea of a "bleeding heart liberal" turning so vengeful when he faces the brunt of violence. It's far easier to believe in something than be forced to act on those beliefs when confronted with the unthinkable. I didn't think they did a very good job exploring that angle, although I did appreciate Kersey's slow decent into what is essentially madness.

Once Kersey became the vigilante, I thought the film missed many opportunities for interesting discussion. Setting aside the absurdly heightened atmosphere of violence portrayed in the film, the public and moreso the police force's response to his actions were odd. I get that many people would find him to be a hero, and maybe even many in the department, but I was disappointed there was such little time spent exploring that issue. The film devolved into what I felt was almost pro-gun propaganda and forgoing any attempt at an honest discussion of the issues presented.

6/10
 

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So this is my first time watching Death Wish. Admittedly, my first memory of "Death Wish" comes from The Simpsons parody Death Wish 9 "I wish I was dead" but I knew enough about the movie and the time period it encapsulates. Crime in New York was outrageous in the 70s so the idea of making a film that speaks to that idea of a man taking the law into his own hands when the city officials aren't doing enough or doing anything at all is an interesting one. Never read the book the film is based on but I know the author has issues with the movie but this is a movie review not an author of the book review.

Bronson is very good in the flick, and aside from a couple shots that made me :what: it's a well put together film and the score is awesome and very abrasive which works well and sets a tone. It's not afraid to go violent and be damn near detestable in how it portrays crime, particularly that scene that sets Bronson's character down the path he goes on. And that's all the good I have to say about the movie:

Anyone who says this movie doesn't condone violence is blind as a damn bat. Bronson is made to look like the coolest and baddest dude in NYC with every action, every shot (especially the final shot) and any character who has an intelligent argument against his newfound ideals, like his son-in-law, don't have enough presence to stand toe-to-toe with him, almost daring the viewer to go against Bronson. I dare you audience, go against this guy. Do it:pachaha:. The weak and non developed characters are given the opposite point of view lines and they all fall flat. Every damn time. On the flip side, let's look at Taxi Driver, a film that examines the same themes but clearly doesn't justify the actions of its main character and leaves it up to the viewer to make their own choices about whether they side with Travis Bickle or pity him. This movie says if you don't side with Bronson, you're a damn fool, or a cop who's trying not to make a martyr out of this guy. I gotta give this one a 6/10 and that's me being generous and that's not even because I disagree with the film's politics; I disagree with the filmmakers and Bronson telling me that the film isn't advocating a thing when in truth it makes it seem like being a vigilante is the coolest thing in the world to be because if you become a vigilante, you too can have people talk about you in parties and debate whether you're good for the city and inspire old ladies to fight back in their neighborhoods.
 
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Death Wish

I went in with pretty low expectations, as most times I've seen this movie referenced they only mention it as a guilty pleasure film.

It was definitely that, but I enjoyed it more than that. It had some pretty interesting ideas, although it didn't either failed to follow through on or fumbled many of them. I liked the idea of a "bleeding heart liberal" turning so vengeful when he faces the brunt of violence. It's far easier to believe in something than be forced to act on those beliefs when confronted with the unthinkable. I didn't think they did a very good job exploring that angle, although I did appreciate Kersey's slow decent into what is essentially madness.

Once Kersey became the vigilante, I thought the film missed many opportunities for interesting discussion. Setting aside the absurdly heightened atmosphere of violence portrayed in the film, the public and moreso the police force's response to his actions were odd. I get that many people would find him to be a hero, and maybe even many in the department, but I was disappointed there was such little time spent exploring that issue. The film devolved into what I felt was almost pro-gun propaganda and forgoing any attempt at an honest discussion of the issues presented.

6/10

Say word my dude. I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt this way.
 

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So we are nixing the reviews in the spoilers now? Cool.

I had forgotten just how heavy-handed and unsubtle Death Wish was since I hadn't seen it for many many years.
The biggest plus in this film was the casting of Charles Bronson who was the model of gravelly taciturn vigilantism and his distinct brand of tough guy acting worked for the role of the angry husband and father looking for revenge.
Was also pleasantly surprised by the musical choices Herbie Hancock chose for the movie. Nothing here would rise to the level of masterful (or even memorable) but he made good enough choices so that it had a distinct 70s feel with every note that played throughout the movie.
The problem with Death Wish is that is like some heartland right-wing gun nut's wet dream put to film. You have a dove like law abiding citizen who sees the error of his hippie liberal peacenik ways once that cesspool of urban street youths called New York preys upon his wife and daughter. The cops are useless, the city sucks balls and the only thing that makes it all OK is to stock up on guns and coin filled socks and go out killing all the bad guys.
I am sure this movie is in the top 10 favorite films of every small town conservative who thinks the big city is the devil, America is not tough enough on crime and the best way to police our streets is to arm everybody. The movie is just a shameless bit of exploitation and I like my exploitation movies to take themselves a bit less serious than this one does.

Death Wish gets 2 out of 5 Roger Ebert's just for the homie Charles Bronson being in it.
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So we are nixing the reviews in the spoilers now? Cool.

I had forgotten just how heavy-handed and unsubtle Death Wish was since I hadn't seen it for many many years.
The biggest plus in this film was the casting of Charles Bronson who was the model of gravelly taciturn vigilantism and his distinct brand of tough guy acting worked for the role of the angry husband and father looking for revenge.
Was also pleasantly surprised by the musical choices Herbie Hancock chose for the movie. Nothing here would rise to the level of masterful (or even memorable) but he made good enough choices so that it had a distinct 70s feel with every note that played throughout the movie.
The problem with Death Wish is that is like some heartland right-wing gun nut's wet dream put to film. You have a dove like law abiding citizen who sees the error of his hippie liberal peacenik ways once that cesspool of urban street youths called New York preys upon his wife and daughter. The cops are useless, the city sucks balls and the only thing that makes it all OK is to stock up on guns and coin filled socks and go out killing all the bad guys.
I am sure this movie is in the top 10 favorite films of every small town conservative who thinks the big city is the devil, America is not tough enough on crime and the best way to police our streets is to arm everybody. The movie is just a shameless bit of exploitation and I like my exploitation movies to take themselves a bit less serious than this one does.

Death Wish gets 2 out of 5 Roger Ebert's just for the homie Charles Bronson being in it.
:ebert::ebert:

I didn't use spoiler tags because I don't feel like anything I said was spoiler free. I think we should be able to review films without spoilers but if you gotta give them, use the tags.
 

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I didn't use spoiler tags because I don't feel like anything I said was spoiler free. I think we should be able to review films without spoilers but if you gotta give them, use the tags.
I wasn't sure if a decision had been made or not based off the discussion that went on in the Clue thread.chancing
I agree that the spoilers really shouldn't be necessary...if you are reading this thread then odds are you don't mind being spoiled a bit.
 

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I wasn't sure if a decision had been made or not based off the discussion that went on in the Clue thread.chancing
I agree that the spoilers really shouldn't be necessary...if you are reading this thread then odds are you don't mind being spoiled a bit.

Oh btw, agree with your review breh. entirely. I gave it a 6 based on Bronson, the look, the feel, the score and the overall technique. Other than that?
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I never like watching stuff from the 70’s because films from the 70’s tend to all have the same look. A lot of dark textures and brownness. Films from the 70’s all have this ubiquitous saran wrap of brownness over everything, where every object and building looks all gritty and piss-stained. I could only imagine what living through the 70’s was like, especially in New York City where everything was ash colored and you were met with dirt and phlegm in the atmosphere while staving off bouts of scrofula. And, apparently, at any given moment, while taking an innocuous jaunt in the streets, you may be mugged several times in one night.


That was one thing that stood out mostly about Death Wish. It’s essentially clumsy agitprop about unfettered gun control and a paean to vigilantism and revenge that doesn’t even attempt to raise the necessary questions regarding the questionable morality of vengeance and the problematic issues of violence begetting violence. The film operates as a travelogue to the big city for the paranoid and the sheltered. Where large cities are warzones. If Fox News were to ever make a foray into the booming made for tv film market, this would be their marquee attraction. A film that hits all the pleasure zones of the usual Fox News acolyte. Casual and lazy racism, assuming the mantle for justice based upon some vague notion and desire for the good old days, poor writing, fantastical scenarios, wah wah guitars and funk music. All that shyt.


But, fukk it! Death Wish. Charles Bronson playing an architect cum bloodlusty serial killer with all the charisma of a lampshade and Claire Underwood inexplicably turning back time to play Charles Bronson’s wife who is brutally slapped around by Jeff Goldblum. There were a few things I had problems with. Like, after Bronson kills for the first time, we cut to the next scene where a random ex-con has made front page news. This is literally after Charle’s Bronson’s son in law is bemoaning that the crime in the city is faceless and is statistics driven. I’m just saying, how does this random ass murdered ex-con get front page big font news when members of Bronson’s family were raped and murdered and rendered catatonic and there is no press about them? That's worse in my estimation but perhaps I don't know about newsrooms in the 70s. Why in a city where resources are supposedly stretched thin and murders and crime are running rampant does this guy get front page news? Why does Charles Bronson get mugged every time he steps outside?


I could go on, but it’s not really worth it. There was nothing really to take from this film.


Odds and Ends:


Real estate and architecture montage!


The rape scene reminded me of A Clockwork Orange. At least a budget one. Plus there were some interesting filming choices...it looked like a fish eye lens?


I don’t really see the parallels to Taxi Driver, except for in the desire in each main character to wash the city clean of the degenerates and filth. Though the general theme of Taxi Driver is loneliness and an examination of that which adds several intriguing layers to the film. What’s the theme of Death Wish? Sometimes vengeance is the answer? The only way to deter and handle violence is with violence? It’s a reprehensible film.


If there was scene that could completely encapsulate my thoughts on the film it is when Bronson and his son in law have just left visiting his daughter at the nunnery/mental health hospital and Bronson is like, “What about the ol American self defense, oh!” and his son is like, “Well we’re not pioneers, we’re civilized and we can’t just go and kill people in retribution because that is a knotty affair that exacerbates the situation we’re currently in.” (GOOD POINT SIR) and Bronson is like, “Well we can’t just run and hide oh! What do we call those people?” and his son says, “Civilized?” and Bronson says, “No” What? I don’t even know what that scene was trying to convey. It’s like the character of Kearsey didn’t even know what the fukk he was talking about so they just cut to the next scene. Just like this entire movie. Just endless meanderings on shyt that the writers didn't even attempt to flesh out or justify.
 
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