"Death to the Pessimistic State of Mind" - Nas Voice: NYK '23 Pre-Season Thread

[storyteller]

I’m gonna predict it again….

1-3 will be a mix of Jabari, Chet, and Paolo
4 will be Keegan
5 will be Ivey
6 will be the Knicks trading Randle and #11 for Brogdon and #6 because all of these rumors are just a smokescreen for moving Randle.

The dream scenario would be this kinda action with a bunch of vet dumps to make space. Just full-blown youth-run once Brogdon inevitably gets hurt, or maybe even right out the gate. Maximize the dream by Burks or Fournier and some second-rounders turning into a late first.

IQ/Rose
Sharpe/Brogdon
Barrett/Beauchamp
Obi/Reddish
Mitch/Sims

With McBride spotting the back-up G's when one's hurt and Taj adding size when the PF's need a bit more toughness. It won't happen, but I can dream for a couple more days.

 

[storyteller]

This reminds of the Porter situation.

That's what I think of. I don't think Griffin was ever fully himself. Lateral movement effected, didn't have explosion off the dribble...but his jumper was so automatic, his athleticism flashed, and his off-ball movement was promising enough that I still feel like he's more intriguing than the rest. Branham is more a Thibs guy though...Davis too for that matter.

 

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

If Griffin slips to 11 I'd be happy to keep the pick and take him, but otherwise I really don't gaf about that pick. Most of the guys at that point are pretty "meh" to me outside of Eason, so I'd rather trade it. I mean I don't see a guy like Johnny Davis being much better than Grimes to be real.

 

[ISO]

If we move up for Ivey for portability purposes the Knicks must move on from Barrett…

Better to build a squad around dynamite athletes (Toppin, Robinson) and shooters (Quickley, Grimes) than to have Barrett eating up possessions with his herky jerky lefty bully ball game…

Between Ivey, Toppin, and Barrett that would already be three sometimes shooters and a non-shooter in Mitch assuming Julius is out the mix.

 

[ikbm]

If we move up for Ivey for portability purposes the Knicks must move on from Barrett…

Better to build a squad around dynamite athletes (Toppin, Robinson) and shooters (Quickley, Grimes) than to have Barrett eating up possessions with his herky jerky lefty bully ball game…

Between Ivey, Toppin, and Barrett that would already be three sometimes shooters and a non-shooter in Mitch assuming Julius is out the mix.

except rj was well over 40 percent in catch and shoot 3s a year ago and was 37 percent on catch and shoots despite having a down year from the corners cause he was expanding his range
this narrative that rj cant shoot is some shyt only based on the fact he cant tween tween tween hesi stepback in the midrange
you gotta relax lol
shot creation is his next step along with touch.
obvious he has holes in his game...but he's literally younger than all these players you are higher on. shyt is real funny to ya boy

 

[RickyGQ]

I’m gonna predict it again….

1-3 will be a mix of Jabari, Chet, and Paolo
4 will be Keegan
5 will be Ivey
6 will be the Knicks trading Randle and #11 for Brogdon and #6 because all of these rumors are just a smokescreen for moving Randle.

Who we taking at 6? Mathurin? At which point doesn’t he have to start? Or do we start IQ?

Brogdon-Rose-McBride
IQ-Mathurin-Grimes
RJ-Fournier-Burks
Obi-Cam-Taj
Mitch-Sims-Noel

I don’t hate it at all. My only thing is why would they want Randle? I’ve been pawning off Randle to the Kings because they’re a dumb franchise and to Portland because they’re a bit desperate and Randle as the second option next to an elite floor spacer like Dame does work on paper. I don’t know what the logic is for Indiana taking on Randle AND moving back 5 spots.

 

[ISO]

except rj was well over 40 percent in catch and shoot 3s a year ago and was 37 percent on catch and shoots despite having a down year from the corners cause he was expanding his range
this narrative that rj cant shoot is some shyt only based on the fact he cant tween tween tween hesi stepback in the midrange
you gotta relax lol
shot creation is his next step along with touch.
obvious he has holes in his game...but he's literally younger than all these players you are higher on. shyt is real funny to ya boy

33.9% last year overall on jumpers.

He’s a sometimes shooter unguarded catch and shoot three balls aren’t the only jumpers and even those %’s are deceiving because it’s streaky.

Ivey will need actual shooting around him to excel especially if we plan to transition him to PG. I don’t like the fit with Barrett as a leading duo.

NBA experience>age. Let’s take the kiddie gloves off R.J. is going into year 4.

 

[RickyGQ]

Would be a hell of a steal for the Knicks.

 

[RickyGQ]

That's what I think of. I don't think Griffin was ever fully himself. Lateral movement effected, didn't have explosion off the dribble...but his jumper was so automatic, his athleticism flashed, and his off-ball movement was promising enough that I still feel like he's more intriguing than the rest. Branham is more a Thibs guy though...Davis too for that matter.

My fear is that he becomes Harry Giles and never gets the athleticism back. At least as a shooter he’d still be able to be more productive. But Giles is a hell of a what if. He was HIM in high school.

 

[RickyGQ]

If Griffin slips to 11 I'd be happy to keep the pick and take him, but otherwise I really don't gaf about that pick. Most of the guys at that point are pretty "meh" to me outside of Eason, so I'd rather trade it. I mean I don't see a guy like Johnny Davis being much better than Grimes to be real.

Agreed. Especially for what RJ and IQ need.

 

[RickyGQ]

If we move up for Ivey for portability purposes the Knicks must move on from Barrett…

Better to build a squad around dynamite athletes (Toppin, Robinson) and shooters (Quickley, Grimes) than to have Barrett eating up possessions with his herky jerky lefty bully ball game…

Between Ivey, Toppin, and Barrett that would already be three sometimes shooters and a non-shooter in Mitch assuming Julius is out the mix.

RJ is gonna take another leap.

 

[ikbm]

33.9% last year overall on jumpers.

He’s a sometimes shooter unguarded catch and shoot three balls aren’t the only jumpers and even those %’s are deceiving because it’s streaky.

Ivey will need actual shooting around him to excel especially if we plan to transition him to PG. I don’t like the fit with Barrett as a leading duo.

NBA experience>age. Let’s take the kiddie gloves off R.J. is going into year 4.

34 perent overall on jumpers cause he was terrible in the midrange and attempted way more shots creating on his own from 3.
34 percent is not as bad as you think it is. you were talking about SPACING. I see no way either of them wouldnt be able to co-exist especially if rj continues to improve his outside shooting like he has every season.
where was this kiddie gloves talk when obi was invisible for 1.75 seasons.......
you just pick on aesthetic bias
age matters when you're comparing him to dudes that had 2 or 3 years in college cause they HAD to stay longer in order to get drafted high

 

[ISO]

RJ is gonna take another leap.

He hasn’t taken a single leap what do you mean another one.

 

[RickyGQ]

34 perent overall on jumpers cause he was terrible in the midrange and attempted way more shots creating on his own from 3.
34 percent is not as bad as you think it is. you were talking about SPACING. I see no way either of them wouldnt be able to co-exist especially if rj continues to improve his outside shooting like he has every season.
where was this kiddie gloves talk when obi was invisible for 1.75 seasons.......
you just pick on aesthetic bias
age matters when you're comparing him to dudes that had 2 or 3 years in college cause they HAD to stay longer in order to get drafted high

Plus, you draft Ivey you’re committing to running, something him, RJ, Cam and Obi all excel at. The shooting will come.

 

[ISO]

34 perent overall on jumpers cause he was terrible in the midrange and attempted way more shots creating on his own from 3.
34 percent is not as bad as you think it is. you were talking about SPACING. I see no way either of them wouldnt be able to co-exist especially if rj continues to improve his outside shooting like he has every season.
where was this kiddie gloves talk when obi was invisible for 1.75 seasons.......
you just pick on aesthetic bias

He was assisted on 68% of his overall jumpers and on 91% of his threes specifically

An Ivey and Barrett duo where those two have the ball the majority of the time will be easy to scheme for in the playoffs.

Toppin and Quickley have modern games they are more portable and more efficient than Barrett is it has nothing to do with aesthetics.