"Death to the Pessimistic State of Mind" - Nas Voice: NYK '23 Pre-Season Thread

[ISO]

Fixed that for you

*EDIT* I'm also not debating a poster who believes Desmond Bane is a better player than RJ Barrett...

This nikka continuously doubles and triples down on the most garbage takes

Still hating on Brunson and claiming bum ass Barrett who can’t even shoot is better than a guy who was one of the leagues elite 3&D players this season

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

This nikka continuously doubles and triples down on the most garbage takes

Still hating on Brunson and claiming bum ass Barrett is better than a guy who was one of the leagues elite 3&D players

How many 30 point games Tyler or Bane had??? Is Tyler or Bane a 1st or 2nd option???

Tyler Herro = 2022 Mike Miller

 

[qnsfinest]

I want jaylon brunson on this team so bad.

Another disgusting offensive performance by Donovan. I can see why people call him 30 for 30. Scust

 

[JMurder]

Did you miss R.J. Barrett being in last years playoffs he also had 8 games this season where he scored in single digits

U also didn’t list any reasons why Herro’s potential is lower

Put the ball in Tyler Herro's hands, make him be the number one option on his team and tell me what he looks like.

Listen....Herro is NICE. But he's feasting in a bench role whereas RJ has been showing his potential as a starter from the beginning.

Still waiting on the response to this.

And no, I didn't miss RJ Barrett being trash in the playoffs.

Anyway, I guess you're one of them guys that need basic stats to back up an opinion. That's fine...but context matters a lot in this discussion that is based on opinion. Potential can't be measured by EFG% or +/-...

 

[ISO]

Still waiting on the response to this.

And no, I didn't miss RJ Barrett being trash in the playoffs.

Anyway, I guess you're one of them guys that need basic stats to back up an opinion. That's fine...but context matters a lot in this discussion that is based on opinion. Potential can't be measured by EFG% or +/-...

I already told you Herro would get more buckets and do so more efficiently than Barrett in the same role and would space the floor making Julius better.

Herro is a better shooter, shot creator, far better from floater range why on earth would he look worse than Barrett did.

 

[JMurder]

This nikka continuously doubles and triples down on the most garbage takes

Still hating on Brunson and claiming bum ass Barrett who can’t even shoot is better than a guy who was one of the leagues elite 3&D players this season

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[tremonthustler1]

What the Knicks need most is high end talent. Trading a top 4 pick when there is a potential star in the top 4 is hustling backwards UNLESS we can trade it for another star.

Tell me which of Banchero, Holmgren, Parker or Ivey you WOULDNT want next to IQ, RJ, and Obi.

The bolded is what I'm implying the Knicks investigate.

As for your concern, we'll just assume Randle is shot into the sun for the purposes of this worry. If it's Banchero, Obi gotta go. If it's Chet, Obi gotta go too, but the Knicks will just pray Chet is a center, which is a bad idea.

Jabari Smith you might be able to get away with alongside Obi-- and of course this means Robinson is gone too.

Ivey really comes down to whether the Knicks even value having a PG or not. Thibs would pick Ivey. Ivey might be the most reasonable addition besides maybe Smith. Now, just my opinion, but I'd rather pay Mitchell max money than RJ and Mitchell is what you hope Ivey is 6-8 years from now. If that avenue is available to the Knicks, go for it, because if not a 25 year old who has every intention of making it work in NY, then who?

If the Knicks are in the top 5, they gotta make some real tough decisions about even the youth. It's more than just getting Randle the hell outta NY.

 

[JMurder]

I already told you Herro would get more buckets and do so more efficiently than Barrett in the same role and would space the floor making Julius better.

Herro is a better shooter, shot creator, far better from floater range why on earth would he look worse than Barrett did.

What question are you answering? You honestly think that Tyler Herro can be the number one option on this team?

 

[ISO]

What question are you answering? You honestly think that Tyler Herro can be the number one option on this team?

Mf we won 37 games you think R.J. Barrett can?

What are you asking me? Herro would outproduce Barrett in the same circumstances.

 

[JMurder]

The bolded is what I'm implying the Knicks investigate.

As for your concern, we'll just assume Randle is shot into the sun for the purposes of this worry. If it's Banchero, Obi gotta go. If it's Chet, Obi gotta go too, but the Knicks will just pray Chet is a center, which is a bad idea.

Jabari Smith you might be able to get away with alongside Obi-- and of course this means Robinson is gone too.

Ivey really comes down to whether the Knicks even value having a PG or not. Thibs would pick Ivey. Ivey might be the most reasonable addition besides maybe Smith. Now, just my opinion, but I'd rather pay Mitchell max money than RJ and Mitchell is what you hope Ivey is 6-8 years from now. If that avenue is available to the Knicks, go for it, because if not a 25 year old who has every intention of making it work in NY, then who?

If the Knicks are in the top 5, they gotta make some real tough decisions about even the youth. It's more than just getting Randle the hell outta NY.

Correct but getting Randle out of NY would be the toughest and most important decision about the youth.

You get Randle out and stand pat you're looking at a starting lineup of: Quickley/Rose, Fournier, RJ, Obi, Noel
Bench: Rose/Quickley, Burks, Grimes, Reddish, Sims
DNP: McBride, Kemba, Taj

This scenario obviously excludes whoever we'd get back in a trade, but also doesn't include the possibility of other trades (like Kemba). Looks like a very young lineup just with that one move. Only young guy not getting minutes would be Deuce...

 

[JMurder]

Mf we won 37 games you think R.J. Barrett can?

What are you asking me? Herro would outproduce Barrett in the same circumstances.

MF, we won 37 games because Julius Randle was our engine and ASS for the majority of the season. Are you trying to tell me that the Knicks looked worse when RJ was our clear and only number one option?

Maybe I'm missing something. Do teams throw double teams at Tyler Herro?

 

[ISO]

MF, we won 37 games because Julius Randle was our engine and ASS for the majority of the season. Are you trying to tell me that the Knicks looked worse when RJ was our clear and only number one option?

Maybe I'm missing something. Do teams throw double teams at Tyler Herro?

R.J. was apart of that he and his daddy have the same ugly ass game and shouldn’t play together any team featuring either as the best player is doomed for mediocrity

Nikkas really hype at going .500 over some 20 game stretch at the end of the season while averaging 20 on garbage splits

Herro>>Barrett offensively

Wasn’t nobody double teaming that nikka Julius was the one who was one of the most double teamed players in the league this season

 

[tremonthustler1]

Correct but getting Randle out of NY would be the toughest and most important decision about the youth.

You get Randle out and stand pat you're looking at a starting lineup of: Quickley/Rose, Fournier, RJ, Obi, Noel
Bench: Rose/Quickley, Burks, Grimes, Reddish, Sims
DNP: McBride, Kemba, Taj

This scenario obviously excludes whoever we'd get back in a trade, but also doesn't include the possibility of other trades (like Kemba). Looks like a very young lineup just with that one move. Only young guy not getting minutes would be Deuce...

if that's the direction you want, fine. Thibs will keep Randle in this instance over everyone because he ain't losing his job over a youth movement.

 

[Wargames]

Ok let’s say the plan is to keep Randle

and Cuban decides to pay Brunson because he has flashbacks of losing Nash

Plus the Knicks expect to lose Mitch in FA


Knicks trade: Rose, Burks, and Kemba
Hornets trade: Hayward, pick 15

then

Knicks trades: Fournier, second rounders
Indiana trades: Brogdan

Knicks come into the season with

Brogdan/IQ/McBride
RJ/Grimes
Hayward/Cam
Randle/Obi
Noel/Sims

So they are chasing a playoff spot short term again. Plus they would have pick 11 & 15 to either add depth at the wing position or try to move up with other picks. Plus they still have the full MLE to spend on say Jalen Smith. The most interesting thing is they could potentially combine some combination Hayward and Brogdan with youth and picks for a star. Plus you hope Brogdan and Hayward would be the vets needed to get Randle to act like an adult…..

Also while Noel sucks compared to keeping Rose, if they don’t think Mitch is returning, keeping him to take that starter spot short term makes a lot of sense. Plus IQ makes keeping Rose not as necessary as we think. Ideally the Knicks trade Randle, but they are just as likely to retool around him since his value is low. The injury concerns are real, but that is baked in to give the Knicks an opportunity to play the youth. Plus a healthy Hayward and Brogdan should make this team a lot better.

 

[storyteller]

if that's the direction you want, fine. Thibs will keep Randle in this instance over everyone because he ain't losing his job over a youth movement.

It's a Marc Berman report, so take it with a grain of salt, but Berman reported that after the end of the season Thibodeau relented to his inner-circle that not going with the youth sooner was a mistake. That couples with a few reporters that have said Obi's late success has changed the Knicks outlook on trading Randle and made everyone more receptive to dealing him.

But...after those reports, the FO went to Dallas for a halftime photo-op with Randle. So you're probably right. But Obi had a low-key positive impact on the defense since Randle wasn't even giving a token effort this season, so maybe that could sway Thibodeau...I'm just fishing for some kinda hope.