"Death to the Pessimistic State of Mind" - Nas Voice: NYK '23 Pre-Season Thread

[RickyGQ]

Ahahaha who’s pushing this narrative to y’all that Portland has Randle on their radar.

SOMEBODIES GOT TO WANT HIM

 

[RickyGQ]

No they wouldn’t because that isn’t how cap space works.

Let’s say they do that Westbrook trade. His money coincides with RJ, Mitch, and Cam needing to get paid. Cap holds lessen his value. All the Knicks would do is open about 20 something in cap space in a weak FA. You can move Randle or Fournier by themselves and create just as much space.

The real move is trade Randle for Rudy Gay or Eric Bledsoe and try to get kids/picks back.

Knicks fukked up their free cap space. No real do-overs because they needed to sign good players before the kids needed to get paid.

The Westbrook trade isn’t about cap space. It’s about playing time. It would be Leon “handling all the family business” in one trade.

 

[ISO]

This nikkas always low key hating on RJ

The truth cannot be hating

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

The truth cannot be hating

RJ has shown he is better and will continue to be better than your predictions
You're just mad everyone knows you're RJ hater it's obvious

 

[#1 pick]

No they wouldn’t because that isn’t how cap space works.

Let’s say they do that Westbrook trade. His money coincides with RJ, Mitch, and Cam needing to get paid. Cap holds lessen his value. All the Knicks would do is open about 20 something in cap space in a weak FA. You can move Randle or Fournier by themselves and create just as much space.

The real move is trade Randle for Rudy Gay or Eric Bledsoe and try to get kids/picks back.

Knicks fukked up their free cap space. No real do-overs because they needed to sign good players before the kids needed to get paid.

How? Westbrook contract ends in 2023. R.J. and Cam aren't due for an extension to 2023.

 

[storyteller]

It's Berman...so there's that.

Rose supported Julius Randle and his rough season, but later added, “With regard to opportunities that may come along, we’re very flexible.’’

The Knicks will be “very flexible” regarding Randle. His status ranks as the Knicks’ biggest offseason question — along with Rose’s ability to land a legitimate starting point guard in either a trade, draft or free agency.

Obi Toppin’s late emergence as a scorer, 3-point shooter and energizer has opened the eyes of coach Tom Thibodeau, who went as far as comparing him to his all-time favorite player Taj Gibson in regards to the intangibles and the bounce he brings to his teammates.

Trading Randle, if they can get equal value, would open up the starting spot for Toppin next season and perhaps create stronger team morale.

Those things matter to Thibodeau.

Later on in the piece...

There will be teams interested in the rugged Randle, whose four-year, $117 million contract extension begins next season at $23.7 million. That’s not an exorbitant number at all. Randle is at the top of all opponent scouting reports and is sensational steamrolling to the hoop when in the right frame of mind.

If the Knicks aren’t getting draft picks and a legitimate starter back, it may not be worth it — unless Randle formally demands a trade. The Mavericks would be an interesting scenario if the Knicks engage Dallas in sign-and-trade talks for free-agent point guard Jalen Brunson. Randle is from Dallas and usually wreaks havoc when he plays in Big D.

“We had new players, it was hard to develop chemistry right off the bat,’’ Thibodeau said. “But Julius is at his best when he’s running the floor, playing fast or attacking the rim. When he did that, he had a number of big games. He’d be the first to tell you that. When he does that and we spray the ball and it moves fast, we’re good. I’m hopeful that we’ve learned from the All Star break on.’’

Thibodeau had been skeptical about Toppin’s defense and 3-point shooting. During the middle of the season, Toppin stopped looking at the basket when he got the ball out deep. He closed the season at 30.6 percent from 3, but 46 percent in the last five games when he started after Randle sat.

 

[Wargames]

The Westbrook trade isn’t about cap space. It’s about playing time. It would be Leon “handling all the family business” in one trade.

Yeah but that doesn’t work well either. IQ and Rose are the PG’s right? Where does Westbrook fit into that?

You go from stifling Obi to Stifling IQ.

How? Westbrook contract ends in 2023. R.J. and Cam aren't due for an extension to 2023.

They become RFA 2023 summer, they are up for extensions this summer. Combined their RFA capholds equal $45 Million. The Knicks can only turn 2023 into a lot of cash if they trade Randle & Fournier for Westbrook, keep Burks, Rose, And Noel until 2023 to decline them, and let Mitch walk for nothing.

Then you got to factor in 2023’s FA is bad. The best UFA under 30 would be FVV and Gary Trent. It’s not worth moving Randle for Westbrook. If 2023 FA was stronger, maybe I could see the FO going through a lot of painful steps to line the money up, but it’s not, plus the summer after RJ and Cam get paid it’s then time to pay IQ, and Obi. Also Sims need to get money 2023 summer because he is a second round pick.

This team had a window after the KP trade and messed up, outside of getting draft picks. They can’t repeat opening up that kind of cap space again because they have to pay their youth sooner than later, and the timing for FA is bad.

 

[RickyGQ]

Yeah but that doesn’t work well either. IQ and Rose are the PG’s right? Where does Westbrook fit into that?

You go from stifling Obi to Stifling IQ.



They become RFA 2023 summer, they are up for extensions this summer. Combined their RFA capholds equal $45 Million. The Knicks can only turn 2023 into a lot of cash if they trade Randle & Fournier for Westbrook, keep Burks, Rose, And Noel until 2023 to decline them, and let Mitch walk for nothing.

Then you got to factor in 2023’s FA is bad. The best UFA under 30 would be FVV and Gary Trent. It’s not worth moving Randle for Westbrook. If 2023 FA was stronger, maybe I could see the FO going through a lot of painful steps to line the money up, but it’s not, plus the summer after RJ and Cam get paid it’s then time to pay IQ, and Obi. Also Sims need to get money 2023 summer because he is a second round pick.

This team had a window after the KP trade and messed up, outside of getting draft picks. They can’t repeat opening up that kind of cap space again because they have to pay their youth sooner than later, and the timing for FA is bad.

Were cutting Westbrook bro. We’re just gonna eat his contract and play the kids all year. I’m of the mind that this is the way to go. We have more than enough youth at every position that I don’t even care about FA in 2023. If you keep Rose, Fournier and Taj as the vets and you draft a back up big (Sochan perhaps?) this might just be the roster going forward with the hope being we see significant improvement year after year.

 

[Wargames]

Were cutting Westbrook bro. We’re just gonna eat his contract and play the kids all year. I’m of the mind that this is the way to go. We have more than enough youth at every position that I don’t even care about FA in 2023. If you keep Rose, Fournier and Taj as the vets and you draft a back up big (Sochan perhaps?) this might just be the roster going forward with the hope being we see significant improvement year after year.

No way Dolan trades for a former MVP Westbrook who makes 41 million to pay him to play for another team.

I wouldn’t even blame him either because that is crazy money

 

[ISO]

RJ has shown he is better and will continue to be better than your predictions

He hasn’t though

 

[RickyGQ]

No way Dolan trades for a former MVP Westbrook who makes 41 million to pay him to play for another team.

I wouldn’t even blame him either because that is crazy money

That’s fair.

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

He hasn’t though

Your arguments don't work breh. You and a lot of people said things RJ wouldn't do and yet he is doing it

 

[Miles Davis]

Your arguments don't work breh. You and a lot of people said things RJ wouldn't do and yet he is doing it

He thought the same shyt that worked with Frank was gonna work again. shytting on young players don’t work when they showing out consistently

 

[RickyGQ]

ESPN’s NBA 25 under 25:

25. Jaren Jackson Jr
24. Tyrese Maxey
23. John Collins
22. De'Aaron Fox
21. Jalen Green
20. Tyler Herro
19. Deandre Ayton
18. Jarrett Allen
17. Desmond Bane
16. Miles Bridges
15. Evan Mobley
14. Tyrese Haliburton
13. Scottie Barnes
12. Brandon Ingram
11. Anthony Edwards
10. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
9. Darius Garland
8. Bam Adebayo
7. Zion Williamson
6. Cade Cunningham
5. LaMelo Ball
4. Trae Young
3. Ja Morant
2. Jayson Tatum
1. Luka Doncic

 

[Wargames]

ESPN’s NBA 25 under 25:

25. Jaren Jackson Jr
24. Tyrese Maxey
23. John Collins
22. De'Aaron Fox
21. Jalen Green
20. Tyler Herro
19. Deandre Ayton
18. Jarrett Allen
17. Desmond Bane
16. Miles Bridges
15. Evan Mobley
14. Tyrese Haliburton
13. Scottie Barnes
12. Brandon Ingram
11. Anthony Edwards
10. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
9. Darius Garland
8. Bam Adebayo
7. Zion Williamson
6. Cade Cunningham
5. LaMelo Ball
4. Trae Young
3. Ja Morant
2. Jayson Tatum
1. Luka Doncic

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