DC is really dumb for not just making a "Harley Quinn" movie... EDIT: I was right! DC changes title!

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Presentation and being able to read the room is a must. :yeshrug: And DC/Warner Bros. can seemingly do neither for multiple films in a row.

This was presented as Suicide Squad with t*ts (a movie that, despite making a profit, was divisive among critics and moviegoers), advertised it poorly since they relied so much on Harley (who in wrestling terms has never been THE draw, but mainly someone who is paired with others like Ivy/The Sirens, The Joker, or Bats in order to draw) that we NEVER got any real gleam of character for the other ladies, and cut out large groups of potential customers with HOW they marketed it:

- Cut out kids with the Hard R Rating (Which wasn't needed since it was hardly violent or vulgar enough to warrant it)
- Marketed unapologetically as a Female Empowerment Fantasy without compromise. Which isn't BAD, if you can do it with nuance and subtlety that doesn't come off as insulting to both bases. But Hollywood only knows how to write these kinda movies one way soooohhhhh...a lot of men weren't seeing this solo.
- Again, presenting it as Suicide Squad with female leads... self-explanatory.
- And (Without too many spoilers) Mishandling several comic book characters in their film debuts pretty much lost the comic book crowd.

Not to mention releasing this on the heels of The Joker, which only came out like 3-4 months ago. While it SEEMED like a good idea at the time, both movies were drastically different in style and tone, as well as intended audiences. That overlay in fans was never gonna happen unless this was either a follow-up or interconnected somehow.
 

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Like people been saying, it basically IS a Harley Quinn movie, just by another name.

i think this is a better option without investing too much energy in a story for a character most non DC non superhero fans don’t know about.

if they invested anywhere near the time and effort they did for Joker for this film, they run a high risk of a flop, imho
 

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If they had the movie about her, and called it Harley Quinn, the Shea butter feminists would’ve been on their necks calling it racist for ignoring the other ‘women of colour’ actresses and DC probably didn’t want the heat.
 

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Like people been saying, it basically IS a Harley Quinn movie, just by another name.

i think this is a better option without investing too much energy in a story for a character most non DC non superhero fans don’t know about.

if they invested anywhere near the time and effort they did for Joker for this film, they run a high risk of a flop, imho
Time and effort?

Joker was a smaller film made for a lesser budget. Maybe if they cut the fat, it would be a better movie. Which is what we keep continually saying about these damn movies. Stop cramming characters and plots in here with 0 development. Take your fukking time. Spread this shyt out. Everybody doesn’t have to show up in the first one. Or the whole justice league in the 3rd damn movie.

Y’all seen the blueprint. fukking copy it. It’s not that hard
 

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If they had the movie about her, and called it Harley Quinn, the Shea butter feminists would’ve been on their necks calling it racist for ignoring the other ‘women of colour’ actresses and DC probably didn’t want the heat.
Yea like they did for captain marvel and Wonder Woman? Hollywood don’t give a fukk about us on or off Twitter. They want to make the white womans opus, they gonna make it
 

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Time and effort?

Joker was a smaller film made for a lesser budget.
Maybe if they cut the fat, it would be a better movie. Which is what we keep continually saying about these damn movies. Stop cramming characters and plots in here with 0 development. Take your fukking time. Spread this shyt out. Everybody doesn’t have to show up in the first one. Or the whole justice league in the 3rd damn movie.

Y’all seen the blueprint. fukking copy it. It’s not that hard
In terms of production, writing, cinematography, scoring, consulting, etc.

there are a lot of pre production things that happen too. And during production in regards to shots, closed set and open set.

what I’m saying is that a better, less textbook, movie takes more thought up front.

I imagine most of the elements in this film aren’t new or even inventive. they just basically wanted to make a Harley Quinn movie, and the project in a sense was spearheaded by the main actress
 

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Presentation and being able to read the room is a must. :yeshrug: And DC/Warner Bros. can seemingly do neither for multiple films in a row.

This was presented as Suicide Squad with t*ts (a movie that, despite making a profit, was divisive among critics and moviegoers), advertised it poorly since they relied so much on Harley (who in wrestling terms has never been THE draw, but mainly someone who is paired with others like Ivy/The Sirens, The Joker, or Bats in order to draw) that we NEVER got any real gleam of character for the other ladies, and cut out large groups of potential customers with HOW they marketed it:

- Cut out kids with the Hard R Rating (Which wasn't needed since it was hardly violent or vulgar enough to warrant it)
- Marketed unapologetically as a Female Empowerment Fantasy without compromise. Which isn't BAD, if you can do it with nuance and subtlety that doesn't come off as insulting to both bases. But Hollywood only knows how to write these kinda movies one way soooohhhhh...a lot of men weren't seeing this solo.
- Again, presenting it as Suicide Squad with female leads... self-explanatory.
- And (Without too many spoilers) Mishandling several comic book characters in their film debuts pretty much lost the comic book crowd.

Not to mention releasing this on the heels of The Joker, which only came out like 3-4 months ago. While it SEEMED like a good idea at the time, both movies were drastically different in style and tone, as well as intended audiences. That overlay in fans was never gonna happen unless this was either a follow-up or interconnected somehow.

bingo.

everything they got right with the cartoon they got wrong with this one.

the cartoon needs to be on Netflix first and foremost. It has the right balance of everything and it legit is an R rated, adult show. The rest of the cast carry their share very well and you get small doses of Batman/Superman without them totally interfering.

if they movie wanted to go the “girl power” route then make sure little girls can actually go and see it. DC gotta decide which films are for wide consumption and which will go down that Joker path. There’s room for both, but do it right.

With the cartoon out, I have zero interest in watching this film because the cartoon is just that good and fukking hilarious. But if they were gonna spend the time and resources to get a ton of name brand celeb voices on board, put that shyt on every streaming platform not named Disney+
 

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not apologizing for shyt, cause I stand with what I said, especially after seeing the flick. Everything was focused it on being about Harley, and it was about Harley. A simple title change wouldn't have boosted it to joker/MCU numbers. You'd have to be blind or retarded to not know it wasn't about harley, regardless if it was called Harley: Birds of Prey or Birds of Prey: long ass title Harley Quinn.
 

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Snyder broke Batman.

Letting it jump off went Batman has been around a decade means Joker and Harley as Suicide Squad presents them makes no sense.


These two killed a Robin? But look like they’ve only been around a few years?

All the Batfamily makes no sense in this version so making a Harley Quinn movie as a solo is off. No Nightwing, Batgirl, or Robin cause no one knows what Batflecks history was.
 

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not apologizing for shyt, cause I stand with what I said, especially after seeing the flick. Everything was focused it on being about Harley, and it was about Harley. A simple title change wouldn't have boosted it to joker/MCU numbers. You'd have to be blind or retarded to not know it wasn't about harley, regardless if it was called Harley: Birds of Prey or Birds of Prey: long ass title Harley Quinn.

It wasn't just about the title. Content wise it would've been successful if it was a origin Harley movie. Not some girl power suicide squad bs
 

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It wasn't just about the title. Content wise it would've been successful if it was a origin Harley movie. Not some girl power suicide squad bs

See that I somewhat agree with. But the premise of your thread was more about the title. So I stand my ground that a title change wouldn't have gotten more asses in seats. They marketed it hard that Harley was in it, so if no one could figure that out, they're a fukking moron. I agree with what some of the points @Starboy52 made. R hurt it more than helped. Only real reason for the R's were the fukks. shyt was pretty tame beyond that. Either go hard R or make it PG-13 so more kids could have seen it. And I do agree, they could've/should've teamed up in a future movie and maybe had this to establish each characters, cause like JL and SS, they rushed the hell out of telling us who was who.
 
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