David Banner Talks About Kendrick Lamar, And Says "Most Black People Don't Want To Be Black"

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He wasn't about to go-in on Kendrick because his point wasn't even about Kendrick. He was more so addressing how the industry exploits revolutionary music for profit and even included Public Enemy in his argument. He even made it a point that he wasn't going to single out one artist because rich still get paid regardless of what the message is. Basically, he's saying it's much bigger than Kendrick.

Oh, please.

He said, "If you're being applauded by the devil, 9 times out of 10, you're walking with him" These is nothing ambiguous about that shyt. :yeshrug:

I'm always amazing at Kendrick wasn't called a c00n when he was talking about black on black crime and respectability politics when asked about police brutality. :francis:

Cacs know exactly what they're doing when they overrate his shyt.
 

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most black ppl are ashamed of being black....but banner problem is, he comes off bitter because nikkas aint fukking with his shyt anymore
 

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I would say that most black people aren't PRIDEFUL of being black at all. Merely being AWARE that you're black and having PRIDE that you're black are 2 separate things.

I can honestly say that before I became "conscious" of past history that I was only merely AWARE that I was black. Now that I have gained knowledge of self and history, I am now PROUD of being black.

The overall self esteem and racial pride is pretty low tho. We don't think too highly of ourselves to be honest.

In order for "change" to happen outwardly, the way we feel about ourselves and each other inwardly must change.
 

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Oh, please.

He said, "If you're being applauded by the devil, 9 times out of 10, you're walking with him" These is nothing ambiguous about that shyt. :yeshrug:

I'm always amazing at Kendrick wasn't called a c00n when he was talking about black on black crime and respectability politics when asked about police brutality. :francis:

Cacs know exactly what they're doing when they overrate his shyt.

That could be attached to any artist who was applauded for doing what Kendrick does. He isn't even the one who brought Kendrick's name into the conversation. Furthermore, David Banner namedropped other critically acclaimed groups and rappers who did the same.
 

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His argument is laughable and typical of smart dumb dudes. White people are not a monolith, just as black people aren't a monolith. I tend to apply Occam's Razor to shyt like this and look for the simplest explanation, which in this case is that Kendrick released a dope album that critics like. Just as D'Angelo released a dope album that critics like. Both albums came out during particularly tense times in terms of racial issues, and I think that played a role in the reception.

The other point I'd make about critics is that the white critic response has been similar to the black critic response. Remember, Pitchfork's review was written by a black guy. And not just any black guy mind you, but Craig Jenkins - a very well respected music journalist.

There's a weird paranoid aspect to this idea that receiving praise from white people suggests you are being used. It's sucker shyt and frankly it's the type of anti-intellectual nonsense that plagues a lot of so called black voices today. Ta-Nehisi Coates receives a lot of praise from white critics too, is he an agent of the devil too?

Honestly the only interesting point he made seems to be skipped over, as it contradicts one of the dumbest hip hop rumors: that a bunch of white execs decided to make gangsta rap the dominate genre of rap, and also decided to kill the genre's pro black acts. That is bullshyt. As Banner said, execs care about one thing: money. If Tribe sold as well as NWA there would be more Tribes than NWAs. Execs are not concerned about the message of music, nor are they sitting around thinking "haha, the black man will never rise up to stop us mwuahahaha."
:mjlol:

I've been in music exec meetings and literally watched Jimmy Iovine shyt on the most ignorant of rap demos because he didn't think it could sell. Likewise I've seen execs cosign positive shyt because they thought it could sell. It's about money. There is no conspiracy there, nor is there some type of union between execs and "the media" to sell negative rap. Negative rap sells itself.
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I would say that most black people aren't PRIDEFUL of being black at all. Merely being AWARE that you're black and having PRIDE that you're black are 2 separate things.

I can honestly say that before I became "conscious" of past history that I was only merely AWARE that I was black. Now that I have gained knowledge of self and history, I am now PROUD of being black.

The overall self esteem and racial pride is pretty low tho. We don't think too highly of ourselves to be honest.

In order for "change" to happen outwardly, the way we feel about ourselves and each other inwardly must change.

And again, saying most is generalizing.
 

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Yes you do have to know most Black people if you are making a claim about most Black people. That's like making stereotypes acceptable because they are based on generalizations about an entire group or majority of a group of people. They are often unfounded because it's based on observations of a limited group of people and it's often biased.

You're giving white people too much credit and contradicting yourself while doing it. How can you say on one hand that everything I have as a Black person is because of white people all while preaching self-respect?

I'm basing everything I'm saying on facts, which you might not realize. It's simple psychology what I'm saying is not hard to understand. If majority of blacks loved being black why haven't we progressed in acquiring power ? How can people come in our neighborhoods exploit us and take our money and don't do nothing for Blacks and there is no uproar ? I've already gave so many examples and you can't understand it. Now, ima finish it off with this. If black people love being black so much, what do you have to show for it ? How much wealth and power do black people have ? Not a Damn thing but we let other races exploit us even though we know they can't stand our black ass, talk about self respect.

You can have self respect to a certain extent as a black person cause I definitely do, but at same token I know as a man I don't have full manhood cause I have to go to another race of people for everything, especially people I know who don't like black people.

I don't think you will ever fully comprehend this, but if majority of blacks had self respect for themselves, we wouldn't be in this predicament we are in now.
 

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I'm basing everything I'm saying on facts, which you might not realize. It's simple psychology what I'm saying is not hard to understand. If majority of blacks loved being black why haven't we progressed in acquiring power ? How can people come in our neighborhoods exploit us and take our money and don't do nothing for Blacks and there is no uproar ? I've already gave so many examples and you can't understand it. Now, ima finish it off with this. If black people love being black so much, what do you have to show for it ? How much wealth and power do black people have ? Not a Damn thing but we let other races exploit us even though we know they can't stand our black ass, talk about self respect.

You can have self respect to a certain extent as a black person cause I definitely do, but at same token I know as a man I don't have full manhood cause I have to go to another race of people for everything, especially people I know who don't like black people.

I don't think you will ever fully comprehend this, but if majority of blacks had self respect for themselves, we wouldn't be in this predicament we are in now.

What you're saying isn't based in fact because you're placing conditions on something that's unconditional. Wealth and power aren't measurements of how a person should feel about themselves and other people. If you don't love who you are, wealth and power can be destructive.
 

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What you're saying isn't based in fact because you're placing conditions on something that's unconditional. Wealth and power aren't measurements of how a person should feel about themselves and other people. If you don't love who you are, wealth and power can be destructive.

Listen, this be last time I respond to you because you really dont dispute anything or explain why you think it not to be true besides saying that is generalizing.

Wealth and power have a lot to do with self respect because people of self dignity and respect can do for themselves and other black people. White people don't respect black people cause we don't respect ourself. How can you respect someone who totally depends on you for everything and always begging you to fix their problems, even though they did create most of it. I've been around poor, middle class, and rich and people laugh at us black people, do I feel a way yes, but I can't expect somebody respect a race of people who don't respect themselves.

And I"ll end it off this. Go ask a poor white person how he feels about being poor and he say "it could be worse, I could be black."

shyt is sad honestly and it won't change for us black people until we change the inside and then everything on outside will get better for us.
 

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He kinda right tho.Some nikkas act like they hate white people as a way of masking their envy for them.
I don't get it, I wouldn't trade being me for anything
 

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He said he is making the most money he has ever had in his career by being more conscious and pro-black then ended the video by saying even racist whites would support black revolutionaries if there was a profit in it. Very interesting:jbhmm:
Not "racist" white, Rich whites. The pics poor ass redneck in Alabama is not supporting a goddammn thing that's pro black
 

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You have to ask question if most black people love being black, blacks wouldn't be in the position they are in now.

I studied psychology so from my assessment being in the hood, suburbs, and upper class blacks. Majority of blacks don't want to be black.
The statement was a foolish thing for anyone to say, and I think it's crazy people are in here cosigning it. Saying Blacks don't want to be Black is like undermining ones own existence and I can hardly agree that's how the majority of Blacks feel. For the ones who do feel that way don't act like they came out of the womb feeling like that, when the fact is that Blacks have been at a disadvantage in America from the start and ever since slavery we've been taught self hate and marginalized by this country:
William Lynch speech - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jim Crow laws - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Institutional racism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Should've been reading some history while you was on that psychology bullshyt :scust:
 

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Listen, this be last time I respond to you because you really dont dispute anything or explain why you think it not to be true besides saying that is generalizing.

Wealth and power have a lot to do with self respect because people of self dignity and respect can do for themselves and other black people. White people don't respect black people cause we don't respect ourself. How can you respect someone who totally depends on you for everything and always begging you to fix their problems, even though they did create most of it. I've been around poor, middle class, and rich and people laugh at us black people, do I feel a way yes, but I can't expect somebody respect a race of people who don't respect themselves.

And I"ll end it off this. Go ask a poor white person how he feels about being poor and he say "it could be worse, I could be black."

shyt is sad honestly and it won't change for us black people until we change the inside and then everything on outside will get better for us.

You're subscribing to the same line of thinking that Banner is criticizing. You're basing your Blackness and self-identity on what they think. The point David Banner is making is that we shouldn't even care about how white people perceive us.
 
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