Albums Dave East - Paranoia: A True Story (Discussion Thread)

[Piff Perkins]

Definitely not an objective review. When your introductory statement is "New York is the mecca of rap" and you follow up by mentioning "the fall of Curtis Jackson" I already know where the article is going. You compared him to Nas and other NY rappers throughout the article. Just judge it for what it is. That being said, the score you gave wasn't far off from mine. I personally gave it a 3/5

I purposely compared him to NY rappers because that's what Dave East does, as do many of his fans who claim he's bringing back that old feeling. So if that's the measuring stick he wants, why not apply and see how he stacks up. He's also aiming to be the premier new NY rapper, so why not compare him to the previous ones. I wouldn't expect him to be Nas or Hov...my problem is he doesn't do anything above average like they did (storytelling, wordplay, etc).

Great new rappers have to create their own image, personality, etc. I feel like NY is stuck in a similar place to where the west coast was in the early 00s. If you remember, that early "new west" movement was built on rappers aping The Game and rapping over Chronic 2001-type beats. The entire west coast was basically dead on the mainstream level and then they started experimenting and we saw new/exciting shyt like Blu, Pac Div, etc. Suddenly all types of movements were birthed from the beat tape shyt (Flying Lotus) to Dom Kennedy, YG, TDE, etc. All of whom had their own sound and weren't relying on Dre cosigns or beats. New York needs something like that. For a bit it seemed like it was happening...if you remember when Maffew Ragazino, Meyhem Lauren, Action Bronson, etc were emerging after Roc Marci dropped Marcberg...but that movement has stalled.

 

[K.O.N.Y]

I purposely compared him to NY rappers because that's what Dave East does, as do many of his fans who claim he's bringing back that old feeling. So if that's the measuring stick he wants, why not apply and see how he stacks up. He's also aiming to be the premier new NY rapper, so why not compare him to the previous ones. I wouldn't expect him to be Nas or Hov...my problem is he doesn't do anything above average like they did (storytelling, wordplay, etc).

Great new rappers have to create their own image, personality, etc. I feel like NY is stuck in a similar place to where the west coast was in the early 00s. If you remember, that early "new west" movement was built on rappers aping The Game and rapping over Chronic 2001-type beats. The entire west coast was basically dead on the mainstream level and then they started experimenting and we saw new/exciting shyt like Blu, Pac Div, etc. Suddenly all types of movements were birthed from the beat tape shyt (Flying Lotus) to Dom Kennedy, YG, TDE, etc. All of whom had their own sound and weren't relying on Dre cosigns or beats. New York needs something like that. For a bit it seemed like it was happening...if you remember when Maffew Ragazino, Meyhem Lauren, Action Bronson, etc were emerging after Roc Marci dropped Marcberg...but that movement has stalled.

the west coast, if its being compared to the greatness of the west of old, is still stagnant
Theres kendrick and a few others. Right now nyc has their rappers aswell both arent living up to the greatness of old
But to act like the WC is in a better position strictly off of kendrick is laughable

 

[jaguar paw]

Phone Jumpin on some subs

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[ISO]

I purposely compared him to NY rappers because that's what Dave East does, as do many of his fans who claim he's bringing back that old feeling. So if that's the measuring stick he wants, why not apply and see how he stacks up. He's also aiming to be the premier new NY rapper, so why not compare him to the previous ones. I wouldn't expect him to be Nas or Hov...my problem is he doesn't do anything above average like they did (storytelling, wordplay, etc).

Great new rappers have to create their own image, personality, etc. I feel like NY is stuck in a similar place to where the west coast was in the early 00s. If you remember, that early "new west" movement was built on rappers aping The Game and rapping over Chronic 2001-type beats. The entire west coast was basically dead on the mainstream level and then they started experimenting and we saw new/exciting shyt like Blu, Pac Div, etc. Suddenly all types of movements were birthed from the beat tape shyt (Flying Lotus) to Dom Kennedy, YG, TDE, etc. All of whom had their own sound and weren't relying on Dre cosigns or beats. New York needs something like that. For a bit it seemed like it was happening...if you remember when Maffew Ragazino, Meyhem Lauren, Action Bronson, etc were emerging after Roc Marci dropped Marcberg...but that movement has stalled.

East is an above average storyteller. Kairi Chanel and Hate Me Now are projects with more direction than this, and showcase some of his best storytelling on tracks like Slow Down, Don't Shoot, I'll Do Anything, Keisha, etc. those are about 4 Mics to me, very solid projects.

I wouldn't compare the 2010's NY to 2000's LA at all, because NY is nowhere near as dead on a mainstream level as the West was then. Also, that movement of Meyhem Lauren, Action Bronson, Roc Marciano in no way represents the streets, it doesn't represent NY, the youth ain't listening to that shyt. Mid-30's rappers one is a Lo-Life, the other is an Albanian GFK, the other raps over drumless soul samples. That's a nice little niche the NY scene had particularly for the backpackers and older heads but it would never dominate NY.

 

[Art Barr]

East is an above average storyteller. Kairi Chanel and Hate Me Now are projects with more direction than this, and showcase some of his best storytelling on tracks like Slow Down, Don't Shoot, I'll Do Anything, Keisha, etc. those are about 4 Mics to me, very solid projects.

I wouldn't compare the 2010's NY to 2000's LA at all, because NY is nowhere near as dead on a mainstream level as the West was then. Also, that movement of Meyhem Lauren, Action Bronson, Roc Marciano in no way represents the streets, it doesn't represent NY, the youth ain't listening to that shyt. Mid-30's rappers one is a Lo-Life, the other is an Albanian GFK, the other raps over drumless soul samples. That's a nice little niche the NY scene had particularly for the backpackers and older heads but it would never dominate NY.

the question is ny so far gone from being the Mecca, culturally and socially. Or politicized everything culturally out of existence to fit into the commercialized retread of the ol school jiggy bullshyt movement to re-right itself is the real question.
as kt seems ny has lost its grasp on urban intellectualism and grasped on to the very southern lack of urban intellectualism that plagued other eastern seaboard cities such as Baltimore to NJ.
by further embracing gang life and a loss of culture as far as hip hop is concerned.



art barr

 

[ISO]

East back to promoting fire snippets

P2 has to be Paranoia 2, what is Def Jam doing?

 

[Redwing80]

East back to promoting fire snippets

P2 has to be Paranoia 2, what is Def Jam doing?

I posted an interview above where he said this

None of the songs East put snippets of made this project. Must be on the next one

 

[straightcash]

Spoiler

East back to promoting fire snippets

P2 has to be Paranoia 2, what is Def Jam doing?

So wtf is going on breh?


Paranoia wasn't an EP by any definition of the word, but they marketed it as such. How you gon get away with the next one?

Just call it a mixtape, and the next one the album (LP) you always planned...and give it a new name.

 

[ISO]

This joint is fukking retarded produced by V'Don how could he leave this off?

 

[straightcash]

This joint is fukking retarded produced by V'Don how could he leave this off?

Might be on his next tape or album. Anyways, dude is eating my patience a bit.
There was no reason to push Paranoid as an "EP", should have fking called it a 'mixtape' and left it at that.

 

[Redwing80]

This joint is fukking retarded pro
duced by V'Don how could he leave this off?

East always has questionable leaks, hopefully this is on Paranoia 2

Edit: just realised he took Schoolboy Q flow

 

[Grizzly]

East back to promoting fire snippets

P2 has to be Paranoia 2, what is Def Jam doing?

Def Jam doesn't know what they doing....East don't even know what he wanna do....the whole "imma play snippets for 8 months" and not release any of the tracks shyt is corny...and I lowkey stopped checkin for this nikka music after that stunt he pulled with Paranoia. if ya name aint Meek Mill you cant get away with that shyt....and if you gonna do that at least make sure the album is fire

 

[straightcash]

Def Jam doesn't know what they doing....East don't even know what he wanna do....the whole "imma play snippets for 8 months" and not release any of the tracks shyt is corny...and I lowkey stopped checkin for this nikka music after that stunt he pulled with Paranoia. if ya name aint Meek Mill you cant get away with that shyt....and if you gonna do that at least make sure the album is fire

nikka getting too comfortable.
Mass Appeal just dropped a video of him buying baby clothes and shyt. Or i think its baby clothes, couldn't even tell WHAT he bought.

He bout to squander this love he getting from the streets. Them bytches ain't enuff to turn you into the next big thing, he aint Usher or some RnB artist. Stop fukking around and drop some real shyt. If it aint music, then drop a concert or tour Vlog. Anything besides this redundant shyt, we done heard the interviews already.

 

[mson]

 

[ISO]

Video at 1.5M in just a couple days

Good for East. He's been hitting radio stations across the country. A lot of people from my school went down to Rochester to see him perform with Migos, Famous Dex, and Don Q.