Damon Dash: Jay-Z ruined Roc-a-Fella (Responds to Bleek's Drink Champs Clip)

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Losaidas

 

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Bruh, Dame is a snake. Hes basically Birdman cousin
I guess you didn't see Beanie Sigel talking about Dame on the breakfast club last week
He talked about how he created state property, and Dame and them basically was like "Yeah, thats a great idea" and ran with it

Literally. They made it happen, pimped the crew who created, walked away with all the cash. There's a reason its hard to find anybody of relevance talking positive about him. I mean from a business standpoint. They all do the same type of "pause" when they wanna go in on his flaws, but dont. Its obvious tho, he's an egomaniac. He got this swag that Crack dealers often have where they carry themselves like they better than people. Dame's biggest problem is he shows no signs of being humbled by all these experiences. No growth, just bitterness. He's the Joe Frazier of hip-hop now

thats not a snake move.

how much did beans have to put into his idea? probably nothing at the time. so if i put all my money into your idea of a mini imprint under the roc and a clothing line that started post roc(which was more what dame was into than jay(jay admitted as much on his own song that he never thought of starting a clothing line and thought it was corny until they did it and it blew up. you know that was always a dream of dames. " Dame always dreamed of doing movies. here comes the state prop movies. beans ideas? sure. dames dreams and dames money... most likely. so who should benefit the most? dame. unless beans comes at dame with some copywritten material like look i got this script (c) 2002 beans. ay i got this clothing line idea (c) 2002 beans state prop. you want to go in with me? dame agrees to certain terms. and then there's no he snaked me, he stole my idea. non of that. but that didnt happen cause beans was not up on his businessman moves yet. and lets be clear because dame ran with it so hard. he made beans SEEM like a BOSS. which upped his stock in the publics eye. and kept his name out there.

 

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It actually is falling off for trump because when you run for president.
After making reality shows which are as desperate a draw as any in all creation of entertainment.
As reality shows are strictly revenue grabs and used for spreadsheet marketing logic.
with no real way to win a presidency besides what fukkery and cheating trump is doing.
You are saying as a business man.
you are no longer poppin and when you fail to win a presidency.
You expose what your real draw is and as far as presidential candidates who fail.
They never recover or bolster their draw with the public as a single entity, themselves as a draw.
Plus, it exposes their draw and what they really are in failure wholeheartedly.
So, trump running is him tapping out or cashing out in the relevent mainstream.
You only run for president.
when you at the end of a drawing rope in business if you were a guy like a trump.
He is only attempting this because his business is so anemiac.
He needs the legislative sway and perception to over compensate and rejuvenate him as a forthright draw in business.
When trump is viewed as a lack of good faith based dynamic player and repeated failure from a pedigree of as high a status as humanly possible in his realm of well to do business owners and stratum.


Art Barr

can't co sign this AB.

when you run for pres and fail. which most do. only one can win. and most lose out before the finally. most of them are not seriously trying to be the president. most of them are running to get shine(an uptick in trending). this raises their stock. So after its over they can put on their resume "FORMER PRESIDENTAL CANDIDATE...." that means you have to pay me more money to speak at your speaking events, you will come out and buy more of my books, etc. You might toss me a bone and throw me on a news channel(cnn, nbc, fox.)

Why do you think ben carson was running? he knew da... well he was never going to win. but he won followers.

The only dudes that take losses are those that are really trying to win. like hillary vs obama. she took a huge L. and even now though it has been setup for her to win the dem nom from day one. the fact that a semi no name like bernie is more liked than she is. is an L for her again. because she cant raise her brand. the clinton brand at one point was an an all time high. there is no higher than that. you see how much $$$ she made from speeches.

 

[FukyourFort]

What I got from this thread is that everyone defending Dame super hard really are just people who dont like Jay for whatever reason.

Thats basically what it is. Biggs had an interview recently where he explained what happened and nikkas still wanna push the jay a snake line. Most of these nikkas was absent when Biggs was saying whats up.

 

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Are you nikkas crazy, the A&Rs brought in the artists to Dame cause that was his job. Dame then brought it to Jay and Biggs after he signed off. Obviously he was extremely important for the Roc, but to act like he was some superman acting without a squad of industry legends is laughable and you know nothing about he roc if that's the case.

Perhaps you've never worked for a company, but people have different roles. If you want to know of some of the legends at The Roc that was bringing in artist Google Lenny S, Jay Brown, Real Rolla, Al Branch, Joshua Kyambo and Gee Roberson and I could go on.

nikka shut up. JAY didn't even want ya boy Kanye to rap. DAME is the one who told him to. DAME put State Prop together and this is from their own mouths. They was all from different hoods and didnt know eachother and Dame put em together to make it a movement. DAME brought in Dipset cause he knew Cam and Jim. Dame is the direct reason for the movements on the Roc. This ain't got shyt to do wit being a fan of any of these nikkas. I don't even fukk wit Dame. I think the nikka is unstable and a snake in his own right. But ain't no denying none of this shyt. shyt I don't even blame Jay for doin what he was doin cause Dame was fukkin shyt up wit his attitude. U not tellin me nothing cause I can damn near guarantee I'm more involved in the music industry and music in general than u.

 

[PS5 Pro]

thats not a snake move.

how much did beans have to put into his idea? probably nothing at the time. so if i put all my money into your idea of a mini imprint under the roc and a clothing line that started post roc(which was more what dame was into than jay(jay admitted as much on his own song that he never thought of starting a clothing line and thought it was corny until they did it and it blew up. you know that was always a dream of dames. " Dame always dreamed of doing movies. here comes the state prop movies. beans ideas? sure. dames dreams and dames money... most likely. so who should benefit the most? dame. unless beans comes at dame with some copywritten material like look i got this script (c) 2002 beans. ay i got this clothing line idea (c) 2002 beans state prop. you want to go in with me? dame agrees to certain terms. and then there's no he snaked me, he stole my idea. non of that. but that didnt happen cause beans was not up on his businessman moves yet. and lets be clear because dame ran with it so hard. he made beans SEEM like a BOSS. which upped his stock in the publics eye. and kept his name out there.

nikka, its nice that you wrote a bunch of bullshyt to make it seem like "Well, its just business and beans should have had his PHD in that field"

Dame preyed on these dudes, robbed them of their ideas and more. I'm not saying Dame never did anything good in his life.
But if you doing people dirty at the same time, you can't use the good as a shield to whats really going on. You sounding like an apologist. Just google beanie on breakfast club to get his version of what happened. I've seen too many interviews of other artist saying the same shyt about I guess everyone is lying

 

[Art Barr]

can't co sign this AB.

when you run for pres and fail. which most do. only one can win. and most lose out before the finally. most of them are not seriously trying to be the president. most of them are running to get shine(an uptick in trending). this raises their stock. So after its over they can put on their resume "FORMER PRESIDENTAL CANDIDATE...." that means you have to pay me more money to speak at your speaking events, you will come out and buy more of my books, etc. You might toss me a bone and throw me on a news channel(cnn, nbc, fox.)

Why do you think ben carson was running? he knew da... well he was never going to win. but he won followers.

The only dudes that take losses are those that are really trying to win. like hillary vs obama. she took a huge L. and even now though it has been setup for her to win the dem nom from day one. the fact that a semi no name like bernie is more liked than she is. is an L for her again. because she cant raise her brand. the clinton brand at one point was an an all time high. there is no higher than that. you see how much $$$ she made from speeches.

No former president candidate has ever their actual professional profile, perception or draw for their personal tax id after failing to win the presidency.
Any former presidential candidate and loser falls completely if they are not George bush.

Mondale ferrero : Where is he.
Jesse Jackson : Never re-established his draw
Mitt Romney : Never re-established a personal draw
Al gore : Damaged his entire perception as a great anything and made into a crybaby after having the presidency stolen.

Losing the presidency is a death nail in the coffin for that businessman meets politician draw as an actual entity.
He may hide behind a tax id or a corporation but his actual individual draw always gets Tyson punchout knocked out stagger to the background status.
Trump is going for this because he maybe at the end of his rope as far as being a single lone draw himself.
Trump ran to win, breh.
As a matter of fact,...if you peep trump and the wack no talent draws he always surrounds himself with in reality tv.
You could see his profile and draw waning over the years as far as convincability, perception, and draw.
Trump ain't been a big deal since Tyson fights in the eighties, real talk.
He been holding on and needed his reality tv show gutter draw on NBC meets MTV to even get to pull up and do this bullshyt campaign.

This trump we watching now is not the trump from before.
This is the almost dead trump draw and if he loses the presidency.
It will be over for him as a lone draw himself.
He won't bolster his profile for his lone draw if he loses and will be outta there with an L.
THIS IS TRUMP'S LAST HURRAH TO BE A VISIBLE MOUTH PIECE AND DRAW.

Trump is cashing out with this presidency.

Anytime anyone is on reality tv of any kind.
Their draw is in a vulnerably bad place, period.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

Bro. Dame found literally like every artist on The Roc not named Bleek. There prolly wouldn't be a Dynasty without Dame cause Jay didn't bring in shyt. Dame is a psycho but anyone denying his input is delusional.

Plus, dame also is the one when jay was defiant to bigs to sellout.
Dame is who made jay see the forest for the trees and to sellout and get jiggy.
Before that jay had no slow flow..jay probably is why he got to consult big l, too.
Which is what was a catalyst for jay to up skill in the first place from consulting, big l.
Dame did orchestrate the entire setup.
shyt dame was in highlander and his cousin was a pr beast in the black publication sector before getting pinched.
In that jay somehow learned who to get for the pr sector.
If that never happened jay would have failed making a coup to lyor anyway.
As jay would have became emo Sean carter who debuted on bp I.
Which after ether to bpii and jay started his coup on the Sean carter mixtape.
We see the drop in convincability and overall skills from jay bar to bar.
This revisionist history of exactly what dame did and is now not given credit for is more to the winner goes the opportunity to write their lies.
When the truth is,...
Dame is who made it so jay became jay.
If no dame,...jay never listens to big's change of content and image direction to become the jiggy sellout rd jay to volume one that drew jay.
As a matter of fact, 45 king does not get the 20k in the paper bag to pay for the production on hard knock life.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

nikka, its nice that you wrote a bunch of bullshyt to make it seem like "Well, its just business and beans should have had his PHD in that field"

Dame preyed on these dudes, robbed them of their ideas and more. I'm not saying Dame never did anything good in his life.
But if you doing people dirty at the same time, you can't use the good as a shield to whats really going on. You sounding like an apologist. Just google beanie on breakfast club to get his version of what happened. I've seen too many interviews of other artist saying the same shyt about I guess everyone is lying

Major props....

Prolific posting,....
You can tell these guys with errant views in business never did nuffin in a real profitable and good faith base ever.
As I noticed dumb rap fans like to excuse errant administrative behavior like it is cool and like they really are not professionally experienced.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

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nikka shut up. JAY didn't even want ya boy Kanye to rap. DAME is the one who told him to. DAME put State Prop together and this is from their own mouths. They was all from different hoods and didnt know eachother and Dame put em together to make it a movement. DAME brought in Dipset cause he knew Cam and Jim. Dame is the direct reason for the movements on the Roc. This ain't got shyt to do wit being a fan of any of these nikkas. I don't even fukk wit Dame. I think the nikka is unstable and a snake in his own right. But ain't no denying none of this shyt. shyt I don't even blame Jay for doin what he was doin cause Dame was fukkin shyt up wit his attitude. U not tellin me nothing cause I can damn near guarantee I'm more involved in the music industry and music in general than u.

Only nikkaz excusing these nikkaz of poor lack of good faith ethics is nikkaz with no real footprint draw or excellence professionally.


Art Barr

 

[Ineedmoney504]

Bro. Dame found literally like every artist on The Roc not named Bleek. There prolly wouldn't be a Dynasty without Dame cause Jay didn't bring in shyt. Dame is a psycho but anyone denying his input is delusional.

jay found beans when he was thinking bout signing figgas and Philly most wanted, beans came wit Philly most wanted to rap for jay and jay brought beans to dame and Biggs and said he was signing him, and the next thing u know he performing at the hard knock every night

Like I said in the other thread, what Dame told Bleek was some good advice even Nore understood but it seems like Bleek didn't get it then or even now. It probably wasn't communicated properly knowing Dame's reputation but it was still real advice.

Ask the average rap fan to name a Memphis Bleek song and they probably can't. Instead of Bleek hitting the stage establishing himself performing his songs, he up there doing Jay joints. As part owner of Roc-A-Fella, of course Dame would tell Bleek that him being a new artist can't do that. That's not good business for anyone and you can't build a buzz doing that. Plus Bleek sounded like a chick talking about Jay gonna cut you off. And? He sounded like that and even know that he can't do anything with Jay. That's the difference between him and Dame. Dame don't need to be up under Jay while Bleek literally seems honored by it.

I think bleek was performing his songs wit jay. That's his songs also, that's like if young money artist performing the songs he got wit Wayne, Nikki and drake

They don't have many hits of they own, that was bleek most knowns, ofcouse he was gon run them, it wasn't like it was his show anyway, they people didn't come for him, he was there for team support. Bleek wasn't a new artist around that time, he had been out like 6-7 years around that time.

yes he took those L's. but he was a boss. non bosses never blow up like he did. and remember while jigga man was being jigga man on record, in videos and in concerts. dame was yelling at jewish execs to make sure they dont cheat rocafella. notice rocafella artists never complained about $$$ they were missing like other labels. notice not one artist ever said dame was not riding hard enough to get them paid. there's a reason a true hood loyal dude like bleek said what he said on that nore show about "I effs with Dame hard. that was my Guy even though i'm jigga all day.." thats because dame ROAD HARD for bleek and the other artists. he road hard for dipset too. Dame has obvious faults. but one his faults going hard at other big wilies to make sure his boys wouldnt get cheated is a GIFT and a CURSE. Some people dont appreciate you insulting their intelligence and they will go off. thats dame. he went off a many of time when someone across the table was trying to play him and his label.

again, this has been similar to Sugar knight. people have said he was a needed force in the industry because he stood up to the other bosses and made them pay their fair share. now we know suge went to far with the physical stuff, threats, and then started holding the artists money hostage. But the initial part of suge punking execs is a good thing. because how many times have we heard all artists of all genres cry about how they got raped on their deals. we hear it all the time. that means these white folks, jewish folks, even some black folks thats been in the game for awhile are on a snake move trying to catch you slipping. praying you're all about the art or you're too young to understand the business. dame was not having it, neither was suge. for that they were GREAT for the artists, indie lables, when they both went to far in their own ways is the reason no one wants to work with them now. but to dames point. why would you realllly want to work with and in an industry full of people literally trying to rape you and only will stop if you call them on their BS? what type of life is that to live. when all you do is fight to be treated fairly. like thats all you're asking for. you're not trying to get over. you just want fair compensation. why do i have to wrestle to get fair? if dame was a jewish guy/white guy they would've never come at him like that to begin with. if it was a white owned label. they would not have tried to pull that nonsense on the roc or any of those black labels.

But thats what you get with a dame. he will go hard for you the artist and go over board at times. its hard to turn off that kind of fire. thats dame erry day no days off. its almost like you wish you could turn him off after the meeting is over. lol

beans said dame owe hm a couple mill, he played young gunz out of can't stop won't stop also. He used that money to fund all the state p shyt and they didn't get paid

could be true. but dame was smart enough to pacify him. some would've told him to kick rocks with that rap career nonsense. and he would've left and took his beats with him.

he was going to sign wit Capitol I think. They backed out on him

 

[Gravity]

Bro. Dame found literally like every artist on The Roc not named Bleek. There prolly wouldn't be a Dynasty without Dame cause Jay didn't bring in shyt. Dame is a psycho but anyone denying his input is delusional.

This isn't true. Who exactly did Dame find for the Roc? He didn't find Beans/State Prop, Freeway, or Kanye. I don't even know where this myth that Dame found all the talent on the Roc even came from. There's a story of how Beans was discovered and according to that story Jay is the only one who saw the potential ad vision for Beans.

 

[Gravity]

Bro. Dame found literally like every artist on The Roc not named Bleek. There prolly wouldn't be a Dynasty without Dame cause Jay didn't bring in shyt. Dame is a psycho but anyone denying his input is delusional.

This isn't true. Who exactly did Dame find for the Roc? He didn't find Beans/State Prop, Freeway, or Kanye. I don't even know where this myth that Dame found all the talent on the Roc even came from. There's a story of how Beans was discovered and according to that story Jay is the only one who saw the potential ad vision for Beans.

 

[sporticus]

He was done with music, yet he tried to latch onto Cam'ron, Diplomats, & Curren$y. He was finished with music yet tried to create the Dame Dash Music Group. He was out of the Jay-Z business, yet he was all on interviews crying about "losing" Rocafella and how Jay Z ruined everything..

 

[Still Benefited]

fukk what yall talkin bout "It was just business".....Nawl breh,this was family,this was a dynasty


Yall cant act like Jay would've been Jay without the role players,and a wingman as strong as Beans....The fact the label was strong adds to Jays legacy no matter how much you might want to downplay it.