Damon Dash: Jay-Z ruined Roc-a-Fella (Responds to Bleek's Drink Champs Clip)

[Standing on business]

Thats basically what it is. Biggs had an interview recently where he explained what happened and nikkas still wanna push the jay a snake line. Most of these nikkas was absent when Biggs was saying whats up.

Beans hated Jay's guts at one point and said jay never stole money but admitted dame owes him money, jay even paid that dudes taxes

Camron of course talked shyt back then but every interview now he's bigging jay up. That interview a few months ago he said jay signed off on a whole bunch of stuff for him that he didn't have to and they never had beef

Dude from young guns admitted hov gave him a big budget that he blew through

After rocafella everyone dame worked with calls dame a liar and thief, he tried to finesse spitta smh but dudes still blaming jay,

Emory jones, bleek, Biggs sitting right living good with Hov but I'm still supposed to think he's a snake?


And for the record hov is responsible for Rihannas succes who btw is bigger than every artist that was on rocafella, why you think they're so close. This came straight from La Reid's mouth so whoever disagrees just hates jay z

 

[Gravity]

fukk what yall talkin bout "It was just business".....Nawl breh,this was family,this was a dynasty


Yall cant act like Jay would've been Jay without the role players,and a wingman as strong as Beans....The fact the label was strong adds to Jays legacy no matter how much you might want to downplay it.

I don't think that anybody denies that the Roc's supporting cast helped Jay but the the point is that they were helped by Jay more than the other way around. You could say that Jay wouldn't have been as big without them and I'll say that you wouldn't know who they were without Jay.

 

[DarkmanX]

I guess you didn't see Beanie Sigel talking about Dame on the breakfast club last week

He was on BC last week? U sure?

Maybe ure confusing it with when he came on a year or 2 ago.

 

[Deltron]

 

[PS5 Pro]

He was on BC last week? U sure?

Maybe ure confusing it with when he came on a year or 2 ago.

He was on within the last two weeks, was talking about his newest projects, then went in on the whole state property situation saying he thought it was his project but he never got the checks he was promised. He was calmer about it than usual, check it

 

[Wacky D]

I don't like Jay-Z either. But most of the old guard is still around. Diddy is just as much of an a$$hole, but he's still making moves, so he has to be doing something right. If he weren't that much of an a$$hole, someone would've given him a job. Jay could've at least said "OK, here's this position for you." DDMG wasn't even under IDJMG.

I believe that someone over there had to be tellin him, "yo, you have to start doin this, this and this because...." but Dame wasn't trying to hear them. Even Irv got tha call from Lyor for a job at Warners. Basically, everyone is somewhere except for Dame. That has to be a phone call type blacklist.

nah man. diddy is not the type that I'm talking about. hes a safe good ni**er like jay-z.

irv gotti got a call for a mere job. what happened to his company? ur talking about him being a mere worker.

The singles were big because they were released on Rocafella you fukking moron

Cam signing to the Roc would be like Jay signing to Shady records lmao he would be under Eminem. Cam was under Jay period.

Cam and Dipset never had shine like that and went back to being B level rappers after the Roc broke up lmao, yet Jay-Z and Kanye kept going multi platinum while throwing up the roc lmao

Nobody gave a fukk about paper soldiers man, it didn't make Kevin Hart's career, it was just his first job lmao

the fact he is richer and more successful than dame and then lapped this nikka is proof enough Dame is incompetent.

lol @ this clown.

you have no clue what youre talking about.

I can tell you got into rap in like 2009 or some chit.

No he didn't, he Pete Rock'd on some "make my beats fakkit" and Kayne MADE himself a priority, and I don't even like dude.



Basically.

The lenght some of these nikkas are going to make it look otherwise...Jay was always the nucleus, Dame made himself expendable with his behavior even if what he was doing worked at some point, you gotta adapt. That's the MAIN fukkING KEY, ADAPT. Jay, being the mammal that he is adapted

this doesn't make sense breh.

if jay is the nucleus & dame was expendable, then why did rocafella go to complete chit the moment that dame left? meanwhile. dame walked off with beans and beans dropped his biggest album on dame's label.....then he went back to jay and his career was instantly over.

people are avoiding this stuff like the plague.

Bruh, Dame is a snake. Hes basically Birdman cousin
I guess you didn't see Beanie Sigel talking about Dame on the breakfast club last week
He talked about how he created state property, and Dame and them basically was like "Yeah, thats a great idea" and ran with it

Literally. They made it happen, pimped the crew who created, walked away with all the cash. There's a reason its hard to find anybody of relevance talking positive about him. I mean from a business standpoint. They all do the same type of "pause" when they wanna go in on his flaws, but dont. Its obvious tho, he's an egomaniac. He got this swag that Crack dealers often have where they carry themselves like they better than people. Dame's biggest problem is he shows no signs of being humbled by all these experiences. No growth, just bitterness. He's the Joe Frazier of hip-hop now

you act as if beans wasn't talking about jay in that same interview. and hes dissed jay in interviews way more than he dissed dame.

also, beans was dancing around chit. he may or may not have had ideas, but either way, he didn't move on anything. thats the difference between a guy like beans and a guy like camron.

and rocafella put state property together. they recruited every member except peedi crakk - who was brought in by freeway. lol. beans brought none of them in, and the way he talked around that was laughable. rocafella made him into a figurehead and made him look the part of a boss but he never called any shots.

nikka, its nice that you wrote a bunch of bullshyt to make it seem like "Well, its just business and beans should have had his PHD in that field"

Dame preyed on these dudes, robbed them of their ideas and more. I'm not saying Dame never did anything good in his life.
But if you doing people dirty at the same time, you can't use the good as a shield to whats really going on. You sounding like an apologist. Just google beanie on breakfast club to get his version of what happened. I've seen too many interviews of other artist saying the same shyt about I guess everyone is lying

the bolded should be said about jay instead of dame.

your facts are all wrong.

Beans hated Jay's guts at one point and said jay never stole money but admitted dame owes him money, jay even paid that dudes taxes

Camron of course talked shyt back then but every interview now he's bigging jay up. That interview a few months ago he said jay signed off on a whole bunch of stuff for him that he didn't have to and they never had beef

Dude from young guns admitted hov gave him a big budget that he blew through

After rocafella everyone dame worked with calls dame a liar and thief, he tried to finesse spitta smh but dudes still blaming jay,

Emory jones, bleek, Biggs sitting right living good with Hov but I'm still supposed to think he's a snake?


And for the record hov is responsible for Rihannas succes who btw is bigger than every artist that was on rocafella, why you think they're so close. This came straight from La Reid's mouth so whoever disagrees just hates jay z

so much wrong with this post.

no everybody in rocafella does not speak bad about dame. LOL. and theres people that were riding with dame over jay.

it wasn't young gunz, it was peedi crakk who blew thru his budget. and hes a known headcase.

Camron is speaking positive because hes moved on. whats funny is, jay-z is the one holding grudges, and always sparking the beef back up ever couple years.

beans still don't f*ck wit jay.

just because you look out for a few people, it doesn't mean youre not a snake. be smart.

lol @ believing jay is responsible for Rihanna's success. if you think that, I have a unicorn for sale. LA Reid said he saw it in my backyard. its legit.

I don't think that anybody denies that the Roc's supporting cast helped Jay but the the point is that they were helped by Jay more than the other way around. You could say that Jay wouldn't have been as big without them and I'll say that you wouldn't know who they were without Jay.

NO.

jay benefited more from state property.

they boosted his profile and fought his battles. and the little that half of them have to show for it, came from when dame was around.

put them on say, g-unit and they all go platinum at least...........which is why jay blocked beans & freeway from going over there.

 

[Ineedmoney504]

He was on within the last two weeks, was talking about his newest projects, then went in on the whole state property situation saying he thought it was his project but he never got the checks he was promised. He was calmer about it than usual, check it

na that was old ass interview and it wasn't breakfast club either

 

[Gravity]

nah man. diddy is not the type that I'm talking about. hes a safe good ni**er like jay-z.

irv gotti got a call for a mere job. what happened to his company? ur talking about him being a mere worker.





lol @ this clown.

you have no clue what youre talking about.

I can tell you got into rap in like 2009 or some chit.





this doesn't make sense breh.

if jay is the nucleus & dame was expendable, then why did rocafella go to complete chit the moment that dame left? meanwhile. dame walked off with beans and beans dropped his biggest album on dame's label.....then he went back to jay and his career was instantly over.

people are avoiding this stuff like the plague.




you act as if beans wasn't talking about jay in that same interview. and hes dissed jay in interviews way more than he dissed dame.

also, beans was dancing around chit. he may or may not have had ideas, but either way, he didn't move on anything. thats the difference between a guy like beans and a guy like camron.

and rocafella put state property together. they recruited every member except peedi crakk - who was brought in by freeway. lol. beans brought none of them in, and the way he talked around that was laughable. rocafella made him into a figurehead and made him look the part of a boss but he never called any shots.





the bolded should be said about jay instead of dame.

your facts are all wrong.





so much wrong with this post.

no everybody in rocafella does not speak bad about dame. LOL. and theres people that were riding with dame over jay.

it wasn't young gunz, it was peedi crakk who blew thru his budget. and hes a known headcase.

Camron is speaking positive because hes moved on. whats funny is, jay-z is the one holding grudges, and always sparking the beef back up ever couple years.

beans still don't f*ck wit jay.

just because you look out for a few people, it doesn't mean youre not a snake. be smart.

lol @ believing jay is responsible for Rihanna's success. if you think that, I have a unicorn for sale. LA Reid said he saw it in my backyard. its legit.






NO.

jay benefited more from state property.

they boosted his profile and fought his battles. and the little that half of them have to show for it, came from when dame was around.

put them on say, g-unit and they all go platinum at least...........which is why jay blocked beans & freeway from going over there.

You're probably the worst non-troll poster in the site meaning you're genuinely a shyt poster. You're not even doing it for the attention. Don't quote me again unless you just want to be insulted. I couldn't care less about what you think about anything.

 

[Gravity]

nah man. diddy is not the type that I'm talking about. hes a safe good ni**er like jay-z.

irv gotti got a call for a mere job. what happened to his company? ur talking about him being a mere worker.





lol @ this clown.

you have no clue what youre talking about.

I can tell you got into rap in like 2009 or some chit.





this doesn't make sense breh.

if jay is the nucleus & dame was expendable, then why did rocafella go to complete chit the moment that dame left? meanwhile. dame walked off with beans and beans dropped his biggest album on dame's label.....then he went back to jay and his career was instantly over.

people are avoiding this stuff like the plague.




you act as if beans wasn't talking about jay in that same interview. and hes dissed jay in interviews way more than he dissed dame.

also, beans was dancing around chit. he may or may not have had ideas, but either way, he didn't move on anything. thats the difference between a guy like beans and a guy like camron.

and rocafella put state property together. they recruited every member except peedi crakk - who was brought in by freeway. lol. beans brought none of them in, and the way he talked around that was laughable. rocafella made him into a figurehead and made him look the part of a boss but he never called any shots.





the bolded should be said about jay instead of dame.

your facts are all wrong.





so much wrong with this post.

no everybody in rocafella does not speak bad about dame. LOL. and theres people that were riding with dame over jay.

it wasn't young gunz, it was peedi crakk who blew thru his budget. and hes a known headcase.

Camron is speaking positive because hes moved on. whats funny is, jay-z is the one holding grudges, and always sparking the beef back up ever couple years.

beans still don't f*ck wit jay.

just because you look out for a few people, it doesn't mean youre not a snake. be smart.

lol @ believing jay is responsible for Rihanna's success. if you think that, I have a unicorn for sale. LA Reid said he saw it in my backyard. its legit.






NO.

jay benefited more from state property.

they boosted his profile and fought his battles. and the little that half of them have to show for it, came from when dame was around.

put them on say, g-unit and they all go platinum at least...........which is why jay blocked beans & freeway from going over there.

You're probably the worst non-troll poster in the site meaning you're genuinely a shot poster. You're not even doing it for the attention. Don't quote me again unless you just want to be insulted. I couldn't care less about what you think about anything.

 

[MalikX]

nikka Dame signed Kanye as a rapper when everyone was laughing behind Kanye's back whenever he rapped. Kanye himself said he felt bad for siding with Jay because of everything Dame did for him. FOH with that shyt.

And like @WeeBey Brice said....Kevin Hart got his first starring role from Dame.

Did Dame "create" these guys? No, nobody is "created" by someone else unless they're a fully manufactured industry plant, and who knows if those really even exist. But Dame was the FIRST person to give them a shot, and that means something.

State Property AND Dipset popularity was due to Dame, PERIOD. State Property having a clothing line and 2 movies is because of Dame.

Paid in Full, hood classic film, is because of Dame.

Does Jay-Z even start Roc-A-Wear if Dame isn't behind the scenes pushing so hard to diversify???

As since the Roc ended, Dame helped Rachel Roy do her clothing line. It sold for quite a lot. He also helped Curren$y advance his career (and then failed to pay him LOL)

Also, Dame's son is in his 20s and he's doing business as well. Not in music but i think food industry. Dame and his family are straight hustlers, period. Its beyond music, they're just business nikkas all around. His brothers, cousins, they all do business.

As far as Dame making a comeback, who knows if he even WANTS a comeback? He's pretty open that he doesn't fukk with labels or corporations, so he's going indie all the way no matter what he does. Im sure Dame knows he can't have another big rapper that way, so it is what it is.

We all know Dame and how his attitude fukked things up. Im not denying that. But to act like he didn't do nothing but piggy back of Jay, thats nonsense. Hov was struggling to find a fukking deal for years before Dame and Biggs put up the cash. U think Hov wanted to be 27 when his first album dropped? Doubt it.

Ouch....that hurt

 

[Wacky D]

You're probably the worst non-troll poster in the site meaning you're genuinely a shyt poster. You're not even doing it for the attention. Don't quote me again unless you just want to be insulted. I couldn't care less about what you think about anything.

you talking all this chit and I don't even know you.

lame weirdo deflection tactics, trying to mask the fact that youre not fit to speak on the topic.

 

[FukyourFort]

the worst posters suppoort dame

 

[DarkmanX]

He was on within the last two weeks, was talking about his newest projects, then went in on the whole state property situation saying he thought it was his project but he never got the checks he was promised. He was calmer about it than usual, check it

Pretty sure u're wrong. Like i said, u're talking about when he was on in like 2013, where he had the shades on & all right, right before he
went to jail. Someone must've uploaded the video recently again and that made u think it was new.

 

[Wacky D]

the worst posters suppoort dame

that's usually translated as the best posters.

seeing that this board now represents the backwards society of weirdos & L7s who stayed in the house all their lives or just aren't from it.

we see what side youre on.

 

[eastside313]

It's not about that. It's about cultivating the relationships that will provide you with the resources to further your growth. Dame forgot the most important rule of business being "you will always need help." You have to build these relationships and Dame seemed to be under the impression that he got to where he was by himself. That's why no one fukks with him now. Honestly, I believe they (other execs and powerful people) tried to groom him or show him the ropes and he was just too stubborn to listen. That's what they did with Jay, and that's why Dame was ousted. In the end, Dame's demise was his own doing.

Show dame the ropes when dame is the one actually making it happen. Those execs hasn't sold no records hasn't created no hundred million dollar clothing empires wasn't out there creating nothin like dame was. They not out in the streets in the hip hop field. Wtf they gonna groom some to do. Kiss ass and let them take credit for all his work.