Damn, so the Saudis are pulling a boss move on Putin?

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http://www.economist.com/blogs/easternapproaches/2013/12/terrorism-russia


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Terrorism in Russia
A threat made real
Dec 30th 2013, 15:41 by A.O. | MOSCOW


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TWO bomb attacks in the southern city of Volgograd within 24 hours have killed more than 30 people, injured over 100 and brought the city once known as Stalingrad into a state of terror. The latest bomb, the third in three months, ripped through a trolley-bus in the morning rush-hour, killing at least 14 people. This came less than a day after a bomb went off at a railway station—one of the most closely guarded places in the city—killing 17 people. Both explosions appear to have been set off by suicide bombers. Although nobody has claimed responsibility, the attacks are most likely the work of Islamist fundamentalists from the North Caucasus.

Coming just six weeks before Russia’s winter Olympics in Sochi, only a few hundred miles from the North Caucasus, the attacks bear out a threat made by Doku Umarov, the self-proclaimed emir of the North Caucasus and the leader of a terrorist group. In July Mr Umarov called on his followers to use all means possible to disrupt the Olympic games, and lifted a moratorium on attacking civilian targets on Russian territory which had been in place since December 2011’s anti-government protests in Moscow. The coordinated attacks suggest that a well organised cell is operating in Volgograd, one of the main transport hubs in the south of Russia and a symbol of Soviet resistance during the second world war.

In October a female suicide bomber from Dagestan in the North Caucasus set off a bomb on a Moscow-bound bus, killing six people. Less than a month later her ethnically Russian husband and four other militants were killed in a stand-off with security services. The attack on the railway station on December 29th appears to have been carried out by a Russian man identified as Pavel Pechenkin, who converted to Islam and was linked to one of the North Caucasus terrorist groups.

Ekaterina Sokiryanskaya, a Caucasus expert at International Crisis Group (ICG), a think-tank, says the latest attacks illustrate a new trend in the way the terrorists operate. Whereas a few years ago most suicide bombings were carried out by Chechen women seeking to avenge their killed relatives, the recent bombings are the work of ideologically motivated jihadists from the neighboring Dagestan—some of them ethnic-Russian men—who are harder to identify and detect than women in headscarves.

Terrorism stemming from the nearly two-decade-long conflict in the North Caucasus has been one of the main concerns about Sochi, a Black Sea coast city which is only 300 miles (480km) from the scene of the deadliest conflict in Europe. A recent report by ICG says at least 700 people died in the conflict in 2012, with as many Russian soldiers dead as America has lost in Afghanistan. Dagestan, the largest and most ethnically complex of all the North Caucasus republics, has been particularly violent.

Ms Sokiryanskaya says that in preparation for the Sochi Olympics the Russian security services have brutally clamped down on any form of legal activity by Salafists, who follow a fundamentalist form of Islam. Their mosques and schools have been closed down and their spiritual leaders harassed. All this has only led to their further radicalisation. Vladimir Putin, Russia’s president, who came to power on the wave of the second war in Chechnya in 1999, has rolled back much of the region’s autonomy and clamped down on Russia’s political freedoms in the name of fighting terrorism, but he has failed to resolve the root of the conflict. Mr Putin made no public statement on the bombings but dispatched Alexander Bortnikov, the head of the security service, to Volgograd. The latest double-attack is the most audacious yet, but may not be the last one before the winter Olympics begin in February.





Now those wouldn't be the SAME people you said weren't responsible for these attacks...would they? :stopitslime: :usure: :ufdup:

:what: Stop while your ahead breh. When did I say they weren't Salafis? I was the one who brought up Umarov in this thread. Salafi doesnt = Saudi proxy.
 

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The Jewish roots of the Saudi Royal Family

October 16, 2011 at 11:08am
The House of Saud refers to the royal family of Saudi Arabia. While the modern nation of Saudi Arabia was established in 1932, the House of Saud has been around for much longer. Prior to Ibn Saud, this family ruled the Nejd and often came into conflict with the Ottoman Empire and the Rashidis. The House of Saud is also linked with Wahhabism through the marriage of the son of Muhammad ibn Saud with the daughter of Muhammad ibn Abd al Wahhab in 1744

http://www.facebook.com/notes/hidde...ots-of-the-saudi-royal-family/277683585596093


THE SAUDI DYNASTY: FROM WHERE IS IT? AND WHO IS THE REAL ANCESTOR OF THIS FAMILY?

RESEARCH AND PRESENTATION OF: MOHAMMAD SAKHER , who was ordered killed by the Saudi Regime for the following findings:

1. Are the Saudi Family members belonging to the Tribe of ANZA BEN WA'EL as they allege to be?

http://www.truedemocracy.net/hj33/08.html


2. Is Islam their actual religion?

3. Are they of an ARAB ORIGIN at all?

http://www.truedemocracy.net/hj33/08.html
dude this is just getting too ridiculous only because modern jews share nothign in common with modern saudis.

They're just different groups of people now even if this is true and religion separates them far too much for you to be trying to make divergences hundreds/thousands of years ago even more relevant today.
 

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:what: Stop while your ahead breh. When did I say they weren't Salafis? I was the one who brought up Umarov in this thread. Salafi doesnt = Saudi proxy.



DUDE

You said the following:
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/damn...boss-move-on-putin.177104/page-5#post-6786704
I'll read this later, but I searched it for "proxy"(no results) and "Saudi" and the only references were to Salafis. This doesn't contradict anything I've said at all. Also most speculation is linking the attackers to Chechnya or Dagestan not the Volga region.

as if to imply that salafis aren't connected to saudis in the region....and they are.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...kileaks-Saudis-chief-funders-of-al-Qaeda.html

Stop caping for these a$$holes.
 

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You said the following:
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/damn...boss-move-on-putin.177104/page-5#post-6786704


as if to imply that salafis aren't connected to saudis in the region....and they are.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...kileaks-Saudis-chief-funders-of-al-Qaeda.html

Stop caping for these @ssholes.

This back and forth is futile because your reading comprehension is pitiful. From your own link above:

Private individuals in Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states friendly to the United States are the chief source of funding for al-Qaeda, the Taliban and other terrorist groups, according to leaked US diplomatic cables

Which is exactly what Ive said in this thread. Private Saudi donors( not state donors) have given money to AQ and related groups but your in this thread trying to claim that Bandar explicitly told the President of Russia that he would unleash proxy groups on him.

As far as the Caucasus goes in particular, its common knowledge that Russian intelligence and security has made it highly difficult for groups who were linked to Arab donors to continue to get funding. It's part of why their influence has diminished since the late 90s/early 2000s and its turned into a low intensity insurgency as opposed to an all out war.

My continuos point in this thread has been that rebels in the Caucasus are not Saudi proxies. This narrative would have it that it's Saudi influence and meddling thats the main cause of this conflict. No one with even a slightly elementary understanding of this conflict would try to push this narrative. What obviously keeps this conflict going are local historical and political grievances that have lasted for centuries.
 

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This back and forth is futile because your reading comprehension is pitiful. From your own link above:

Private individuals in Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states friendly to the United States are the chief source of funding for al-Qaeda, the Taliban and other terrorist groups, according to leaked US diplomatic cables

Which is exactly what Ive said in this thread. Private Saudi donors( not state donors) have given money to AQ and related groups but your in this thread trying to claim that Bandar explicitly told the President of Russia that he would unleash proxy groups on him.

As far as the Caucasus goes in particular, its common knowledge that Russian intelligence and security has made it highly difficult for groups who were linked to Arab donors to continue to get funding. It's part of why their influence has diminished since the late 90s/early 2000s and its turned into a low intensity insurgency as opposed to an all out war.

My continuos point in this thread has been that rebels in the Caucasus are not Saudi proxies.
This narrative would have it that it's Saudi influence and meddling thats the main cause of this conflict. No one with even a slightly elementary understanding of this conflict would try to push this narrative. What obviously keeps this conflict going are local historical and political grievances that have lasted for centuries.

I completely and vehemently disagree.

I don't work for the CIA nor do I have access to their databases.

I am just a citizen who watches the news and has been fairly accurate about things over the years.

In my sincere opinion, based on everything i've read and come across from a variety of sources, that these rebels are being funded by Saudi interests from high up as a means of promoting further destabilization in favor of islamists.

I'm not even touch on them being an ethnic minority or the history of that region.

You've got ALQ groups claiming responsibility, groups who have proven ties to KSA, and yet you're sitting here waiting for the silver bullet to really drive the point home.

You've got to do better at reading between the lines my man.

Theres a reason everyone is reporting KSA's overall influence in these notions of radicalization and overall promotion of Wahhabism.
 

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If the US can sponsor secret CIA and special ops to assassinate leaders and instigate war around the world than I'm sure the Saudi's with their limitless wealth can do the same. The Saudi's are the dirty little secret of the world. They play both sides with an illusion of only helping Western nations with oil. No turmoil in the Middle East = much lower oil prices. No one that plays in the oil game wants low prices.
 

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If the US can sponsor secret CIA and special ops to assassinate leaders and instigate war around the world than I'm sure the Saudi's with their limitless wealth can do the same. The Saudi's are the dirty little secret of the world. They play both sides with an illusion of only helping Western nations with oil. No turmoil in the Middle East = much lower oil prices. No one that plays in the oil game wants low prices.

Call Russia the Middle East brehs
 

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Call Russia the Middle East brehs

While it may be a fair assumption to think I said that Russia is in the Middle East as the thread is about Russia, you should probably take a critical thinking class and get off your high horse. My statement is simply that Saudi's possess the tools and finances to create terror around the world. Further more, this terror that they can produce at any time can cause turmoil in the Middle East thus raising oil prices around the world. For example, keeping Iran hostile and at odds with the West causes turmoil and a rise in oil prices. Try to use some critical thinking before you try to get reps with stupid one liners.
 
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The Jewish roots of the Saudi Royal Family

October 16, 2011 at 11:08am
The House of Saud refers to the royal family of Saudi Arabia. While the modern nation of Saudi Arabia was established in 1932, the House of Saud has been around for much longer. Prior to Ibn Saud, this family ruled the Nejd and often came into conflict with the Ottoman Empire and the Rashidis. The House of Saud is also linked with Wahhabism through the marriage of the son of Muhammad ibn Saud with the daughter of Muhammad ibn Abd al Wahhab in 1744

http://www.facebook.com/notes/hidde...ots-of-the-saudi-royal-family/277683585596093


THE SAUDI DYNASTY: FROM WHERE IS IT? AND WHO IS THE REAL ANCESTOR OF THIS FAMILY?

RESEARCH AND PRESENTATION OF: MOHAMMAD SAKHER , who was ordered killed by the Saudi Regime for the following findings:

1. Are the Saudi Family members belonging to the Tribe of ANZA BEN WA'EL as they allege to be?

http://www.truedemocracy.net/hj33/08.html


2. Is Islam their actual religion?

3. Are they of an ARAB ORIGIN at all?

http://www.truedemocracy.net/hj33/08.html

The document i have exposes that. It's lengthy but it exposes that. Notice everything they do is against the Islamic teachings and yet they do everything opposite.
 

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i tried to tell nikkas in that other thread.

The Saudi's are about to get reminded who they're fukking with.

Russia should fukk them up back to the 1920s when they're running around with camels and shyt.

And the US is just gonna sit aside and let it happen cause the Saudi's are getting too big for their britches.

fukk those state-sponsored terrorist @ssholes.

Except you forget the impact that would have on oil prices. Not happening. Russia is a poor joke, this aint 1975
 

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Russians have their own oil and are a top producer of natural gas. An attack on SA would boost those prices therefore creating tremendous wealth for Russia. Its not completely crazy.

I meant in terms of US being ok with it cuz Saudis getting a bit big headed recently. And Russia isnt using terrorism as a weapon, not when it has a huge problem with terrorism itself. That would be pretty dumb. Pakistan tried that and got burnt badly
 
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