Damn. Japan got sonned by America and now they all docile and quiet.

[42 Monks]

do we really want them to be offensive and fighting neighbors again?

that's not what im arguing or implying. i actually started with anti piracy because it falls firmly within the bounds of what that navy should be allowed to openly deter - and it would speed up partnerships dramatically too. like.... there's no objective reason why anti-piracy is not their calling card in this era tbh

and its not something they've ever been actively invested in considering the resources they have. there is plenty of space for a self-defense force to develop and refine itself, but the only persistent measure of success that the JSDF has had is zero-risk, everybody-wins exchanges with its primary benefactor and buffer.

honestly kinda shocked that people think so highly of them when its kinda the default to be critical of any military stuff the past few years

 

[ChatGPT-5]

that's not what im arguing or implying. i actually started with anti piracy because it falls firmly within the bounds of what that navy should be allowed to openly deter - and it would speed up partnerships dramatically too. like.... there's no objective reason why anti-piracy is not their calling card in this era tbh

and its not something they've ever been actively invested in considering the resources they have. there is plenty of space for a self-defense force to develop and refine itself, but the only persistent measure of success that the JSDF has had is zero-risk, everybody-wins exchanges with its primary benefactor and buffer.

honestly kinda shocked that people think so highly of them when its kinda the default to be critical of any military stuff the past few years

Japan has been an active participant in international efforts to combat piracy. In 2009, Japan deployed its Maritime Self-Defense Force (MSDF) to the Gulf of Aden as part of international anti-piracy operations. Japanese destroyers and patrol aircraft have been involved in escort missions and surveillance activities to protect Japanese and other international shipping.

 

[O.Red]

They returned the favor by addicting the world to technology

 

[42 Monks]

Japan has been an active participant in international efforts to combat piracy. In 2009, Japan deployed its Maritime Self-Defense Force (MSDF) to the Gulf of Aden as part of international anti-piracy operations. Japanese destroyers and patrol aircraft have been involved in escort missions and surveillance activities to protect Japanese and other international shipping.

talk about the support provided since you're already there - and the ships sacked or lost which forced the military to actually take on that responsibility since it wasn't an emphasis to start. if japan was serious, that initiative would began as early as 2002 when the government was plainly tired of the embarrassment that came from relying on outside assistance to get its own crews back

like i'll bite , here - just to frame things a bit

The Piracy Threat to Japan | YaleGlobal Online

archive-yaleglobal.yale.edu

not only would japan have been justified to deliberately heavily push into that realm, but it would've also further cemented many of their positions economically as well. are they involved, sure. is it anywhere near as committed as it could be? not at all. i'm not critical of them because they're bad, or because of their convenient relationships compared to their peers. i'm critical because having the resources to do something at scale against internationally recognized belligerents was and still is largely treated as an afterthought.

if you look at what they have, and what they do with it - its never added up. and any stress test they come across is going to be a jarring wakeup call with unclear priorities because active self defense is an abstract concept for japan.

again, i don't dislike JSDF. they're just openly running with many of the same defense industrial dances that are harshly scrutinized in the US, with none of the steel sharpening or lessons learned that come from actually doing the job.

why gas that up?

 

[ChatGPT-5]

talk about the support provided since you're already there - and the ships sacked or lost which forced the military to actually take on that responsibility since it wasn't an emphasis to start. if japan was serious, that initiative would began as early as 2002 when the government was plainly tired of the embarrassment that came from relying on outside assistance to get its own crews back

like i'll bite , here - just to frame things a bit

The Piracy Threat to Japan | YaleGlobal Online

archive-yaleglobal.yale.edu

not only would japan have been justified to deliberately heavily push into that realm, but it would've also further cemented many of their positions economically as well. are they involved, sure. is it anywhere near as committed as it could be? not at all. i'm not critical of them because they're bad, or because of their convenient relationships compared to their peers. i'm critical because having the resources to do something at scale against internationally recognized belligerents was and still is largely treated as an afterthought.

if you look at what they have, and what they do with it - its never added up. and any stress test they come across is going to be a jarring wakeup call with unclear priorities because active self defense is an abstract concept for japan.

again, i don't dislike JSDF. they're just openly running with many of the same defense industrial dances that are harshly scrutinized in the US, with none of the steel sharpening or lessons learned that come from actually doing the job.

why gas that up?

1. • In response to the increasing number of piracy incidents and the embarrassment of relying on foreign navies, Japan began to take more direct action:
     • 2009 Anti-Piracy Measures Law: This law marked a significant shift, allowing the JMSDF to protect not only Japanese-flagged ships but also foreign vessels from pirate attacks. It also provided the legal framework for deploying Japanese naval forces to international waters for anti-piracy missions.
     • Deployment of JMSDF: Japan dispatched destroyers and P-3C patrol aircraft to the Gulf of Aden. These deployments were part of international efforts, including the Combined Task Force 151 (CTF-151) and the European Union Naval Force (EU NAVFOR) Somalia – Operation Atalanta.
2. Success and Continued Engagement:
   • The JMSDF has since played a vital role in escorting merchant vessels and conducting surveillance operations in piracy-prone areas. The presence of Japanese naval forces has contributed to a significant reduction in piracy incidents in these regions.
   • Base in Djibouti: Japan established a military base in Djibouti in 2011 to support its anti-piracy operations in the Gulf of Aden, reflecting a long-term commitment to maritime security.

Why the Initiative Didn't Start Earlier​

1. Political and Constitutional Constraints:
   • Japan’s pacifist constitution and the strong public sentiment against military engagements abroad constrained early proactive measures. The focus was on maintaining a strictly defensive posture.
2. Reliance on Allies:
   • Historically, Japan relied on its alliance with the United States for broader security, including maritime security. This reliance delayed the need for Japan to develop its independent capabilities in anti-piracy operations.
3. Strategic Priorities:
   • Until the early 2000s, Japan’s strategic priorities were centered on regional threats, particularly from North Korea and China. Anti-piracy operations, although important, were not seen as a primary concern compared to these more immediate regional threats.

 

[Kornball The Conqueror]

too busy investing in there own people not oppressing and robbing others

 

[42 Monks]

<stuff that doesn't address any point made regarding comparatively limited anti-piracy support which was only emphasized due to political embarrassment from relying on non-US entities and how further leaning into the concept would've only reinforced japanese economic potential>

annnnd that base in djibouti will never support more than 200 personnel long term and i think its 'maybe' 40 acres now lol

fun while it lasted i guess

 

[TEH]

We made them kiss the ring

China is next to kiss it

 

[ChatGPT-5]

annnnd that base in djibouti will never support more than 200 personnel long term and i think its 'maybe' 40 acres now lol

fun while it lasted i guess

why would it need too?

 

[O.T.I.S.]

that's not what im arguing or implying. i actually started with anti piracy because it falls firmly within the bounds of what that navy should be allowed to openly deter - and it would speed up partnerships dramatically too. like.... there's no objective reason why anti-piracy is not their calling card in this era tbh

and its not something they've ever been actively invested in considering the resources they have. there is plenty of space for a self-defense force to develop and refine itself, but the only persistent measure of success that the JSDF has had is zero-risk, everybody-wins exchanges with its primary benefactor and buffer.

honestly kinda shocked that people think so highly of them when its kinda the default to be critical of any military stuff the past few years

Is piracy even a huge concern in a place like Japan?

And if there is, it’s not highly known. I don’t think Asians in general do piracy like middle east and Africa or etc., be on… and if so it’s the more underdeveloped countries.

And they're not policing the world or even their region like the US tries to, so why would they be in another country, outside of Japan, like middle east trying to stop piracy alone that they have zero interest in? If there is piracy in their neighborhood, Im sure they have the ability to curve it.

This is the only thing I could find about piracy thats not from the 16th century or some shyt. It’s from 25 years ago. And they used their Coast Guard… same as we do. Navy handles piracy usually in open waters or overseas

The piracy problem that has emerged with much frequency in Asia in recent years not only represents a threat to the transportation routes of Japan, a mercantile nation, but also could exert a great impact on the social stability and economic prosperity of the whole region. From this awareness of the problem, then Prime Minister Keizo OBUCHI proposed a meeting of related parties, such as representatives of coast guard agencies, at the ASEAN + 1 (Japan) summit in Manila in November 1999. As a result, the Regional Conference on Combating Piracy and Armed Robbery against Ships was held in Tokyo in April 2000.

In September 2000, following a proposal by then Minister of Foreign Affairs Yohei KONO, the Japanese government dispatched the Mission for Combating Piracy and Armed Robbery against Ships to the Philippines, Malaysia, Singapore, and Indonesia to conduct a survey and exchange opinions on specific cooperation and assistance measures with these countries. Bilateral cooperation also has steadily advanced. For example, in November 2000 a patrol vessel of the Japan Coast Guard visited India and Malaysia for combined exercises aimed at combating piracy.

Meanwhile, it is not an easy task to develop a framework of regional efforts, because the problem is directly concerned with national sovereignty. In order to take positive initiative in promoting regional efforts, however, then Prime Minister Yoshiro MORI proposed the holding of the Asian Cooperation Conference on Combating Piracy and Armed Robbery against Ships at the ASEAN + 3 (Japan, China, Republic of Korea) summit in Singapore in November 2000. This antipiracy conference took place in Tokyo on October 4 and 5, 2001.

 

[UWasntThere]

China is next to kiss it

Not with Biden in office they won't. Dude got sonned by Putin and Netanyahu.

 

[42 Monks]

Is piracy even a huge concern in a place like Japan?

And if there is, it’s not highly known. I don’t think Asians in general do piracy like middle east and Africa or etc., be on.

And they're not policing the world or even their region like the US tries to, so why would they be in another country like middle east trying to stop piracy alone that they have zero interest in? If there is piracy in their neighborhood, Im sure they have the ability to curve it.

This is the only thing I could find about piracy thats not from the 16th century or some shyt. It’s from 25 years ago. And they used their Coast Guard… same as we do. Navy handles piracy usually in open waters or overseas

protecting trade/anti-piracy is massive and being one of the world leaders basically makes your involvement in the protection of critical shipping, development, and partner building an entirely different equation. they can't 'not' be involved because they trade internationally regardless. plus didn't just stop using those lanes after those incidents as well.

its a tangent for sure and i could do a rant on it, but america unseating britain as the international waters honcho without even having to fire a shot at them directly changed the dynamics of trade world-wide in a way historically never seen before and maybe the biggest magic trick never talked about.

but the fact japan just never seemed to value the importance or impact of using their standing force to be anything more than a bystander and passive counterpart to existing pacific trade was jarring to more than just me fwiw. its not only massive opportunity lost, but its standing resources just... standing

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

The turnaround in Japan is impressive. They turn lemons into lemonade

 

[Wig Twistin Season]

Everyone was a monster to someone at some point

They still got told to chill out though, but only because of Oppenheimer.

Japan won a lot of wars before then and defended their island manytimes before then (sometimes by “luck”).

But I think thats more because of their people than it is America. They do not seem to be a war/obsessed people… they move by respect instead of conquest I think

*timestamped

 

[Bugzbunny129]

Germany is the real head scratcher. Entire germany were officer corps mercenary groups (aka like sleepy hollow with the “hessian” that fought in revolutionary war for britain.) that was literally what they did. Period.

Its no wonder they took wurope so quickly but they were all killed and their women raped. Now they slaves to israel