Damn, Already?: UFC 261- Usman vs Masvidal II/ Zhang vs Rose/ Shevchenko vs Bate Estaca

[True Blue Moon]

DC’s shown he has power he’s an elite wrestler but he has knockout power and dropped Stipe in their first match up.

Jake Paul has been in combat sports for a relatively short period of time and is ok at best, if DC was boxing a Canelo for example I’d obviously take Canelo easily despite DC’s size advantage it’s just an example don’t laugh at the match up. Jake Paul has proved he can box but this is a former world champion and a veteran in combat sports he didn’t retire that long ago, Ben Askrens striking has always been poor and has never been dominant in the UFC.

To keep it a stack, DC has punching power but that doesn’t necessarily mean high level boxing ability. The first fight ended in a punch knockout, but it was from a right hook that opened up from wrestling with him in the clench. That fight ended quickly, and DC boxed sloppily and recklessly in all the other Stipe fights.

In the second fight, DC was piecing him up, but by literally walking straight forward like a zombie with his arms stretched out, grabbing Stipe’s hands and moving them out the way to open up shots, while choosing to eat whatever shots he gets hit with in the process. His corner was fussing at him because of it because he went rogue from the game plan and wasn’t using technique. Then when Stipe decided to box him up to the body DC didn’t have an answer for it.

I have no idea how DC would do in a boxing ring, but there’s so much nuance that MMA guys don’t pick up on that doesn’t and won’t get exposed until they go against someone whose 10,000 hours were strictly put into boxing footwork, timing, technique and psychology.

 

[King]

jake paul would get his biscuits toasted in the octagon. fact.


and ppl would pay to see it

Nah I think he has a shot against a champion

The only way I would watch is if they had a good ref like Yamasaki

I have no idea how DC would do in a boxing ring, but there’s so much nuance that MMA guys don’t pick up on that doesn’t and won’t get exposed until that go against someone whose 10,000 hours were strictly put into boxing footwork, timing, technique and psychology.

THIS

I don’t know what part of SKILL GAME do casuals NOT understand about boxing.

IT IS ABOUT SKILL AND TECHNIQUE.

Boxing is a SKILL game, DC isn’t a boxer. He may be a good MMA striker but boxing is a different game and historically most MMA fighters never trained real boxing because of reasons

If you were to look at his striking game he probably has many deficiencies and tells. Jake has had good training from top trainers out there.

DCs real advantage is is weight, he could power through, eat them shots, and knock Jake tf out IMO

But that’s contingent upon Jake not establishing his jab and keeping range, they aren’t even in the same weight class tho it doesn’t matter fight prolly won’t ever happen

 

[Kinguno]

[/QUOTE]

The way he grabbed and pushed down Jorge’s wrist was gully

 

[Master Teacher]

A lot of MMA guys spar with world class boxers. The Diaz brothers sparred with Andre Ward regularly, TJ Dillashaw sparred with Lomachenko. I’m not saying Jake isn’t skilled, but it’s easy to look like a world beater when you pick the right opponents. You say every boxer fights bums coming up, what elite boxer ever fought YouTube celebrities and a basketball player coming up?

No they don't

Diaz is not a regular sparring partner of Andre Ward, he uses him for drills sparsely, Nate DIaz is not Andre's ward training partner
Diaz cannot compete against Ward, they just train at the same gym, Nate Diaz is not a good boxer or can give Andre Ward real work in sparring, he was just being nice because that's his homeboy

TJ dillashaw sparred Lomachenko one time, Lomachenko is not his training partner and he got his ass kicked

Jake Paul is holding his own against these guys he is sparring with

Jake Paul TRAINS WITH THESE GUYS AND HAS BEEN FOR YEARS

You don't understand boxing or combat sports

After Cormier gets Knocked out by Jake Paul, you gonna be coming up with even more excuses

Jake Paul would Knock Nate Diaz the fukk out, Nate Diaz cannot punch his way out of a wet paper bag, he's better than him boxing by far

These MMA guys go to Freddie Roach who suck as a trainer

everybody good he's trained was already champions and elite boxers before they went to him
he never built a fighter up for scratch eer

These mma trainers barely know what they are doing with MMA, which is why you see these problems with leg kicks in MMA, because they don't actually go to real Muy Thai trainer to train

These jack of all trade MMA gyms its not whats up

You need to train in each space separately, in order to get good at them

You need to be trained by people who know what they are doing

None of these mma guys are being trained personally by someone like Sugar Shane Mosley WHO IS AN ALL TIME GREAT

Jake Paul has been learning from Sugar Shane Mosley FIRST HAND FOR YEARS

None of these MMA guys can see him in boxing ring, you are delusional to think so

 

[True Blue Moon]

Colby doesn’t have to be there for Kamari to troll him. Kamari said he could make trump like him more than Covington which true by your own admission that his manager has connections with trump. His manager is a business man that manages multiple fighters in the UFC do you think he cares about maga or all the other stuff you fake care about? He also wanted to get his father pardoned. Acting like he’s an avid trump supporter is disingenuous and deceiving. How is trump parading usman around? Ali took a picture with trump with all of his fighters except usman. Y’all just say anything on this website.

Ok breh
I’m not acting like he’s some “avid Trump supporter”, but the fact of the matter is he gave his support. If you read what you quoted from me, I said that nikkas made a business decision and chose to be there. It’s not WW3 levels of serious, but it’s also not some cute little incidental thing.

How is Trump parading Usman around?

Because at a rally called “Blacks for Trump” he shouted Kamaru out in the crowd as one of his supporters and saying he backs him too. Even got to talking about his muscles

That’s what celebrity political endorsements are. Did you watch the video or are you just arguing?




I never claimed to know or give a shyt about what dude feels in his heart, I said he went to a MAGA rally and gave him a political endorsement. To me, that’s whack. You might feel differently, which is your right.

I don’t “fake care” about it too much if I dropped $70 last night and rooted for breh to win. But that doesn’t mean I can’t also call some shyt for what it is.

 

[True Blue Moon]

Wait? You aren't Usman are you?

The other poster called me a dumbass, he just didn’t use punctuation so the sentence ran together.

 

[that guy]

Ok breh
I’m not acting like he’s some “avid Trump supporter”, but the fact of the matter is he gave his support. If you read what you quoted from me, I said that nikkas made a business decision and chose to be there. It’s not WW3 levels of serious, but it’s also not some cute little incidental thing.

How is Trump parading Usman around?

Because at a rally called “Blacks for Trump” he shouted Kamaru out in the crowd as one of his supporters and saying he backs him too. Even got to talking about his muscles

That’s what celebrity political endorsements are. Did you watch the video or are you just arguing?




I never claimed to know or give a shyt about what dude feels in his heart, I said he went to a MAGA rally and gave him a political endorsement. To me, that’s whack. You might feel differently, which is your right.

I don’t “fake care” about it too much if I dropped $70 last night and rooted for breh to win. But that doesn’t mean I can’t also call some shyt for what it is.

Now you’re just making stuff up smh please feel free to post any evidence of kamaru endorsing trump. Do you know the definition of support? Supporting trump is voting, donating, endorsing. None of which Kamaru did. His manager wants a presidential recognition because it’s good for his business, that has nothing to do with usman. You just admitted he was there because of his manager and on top of that he wanted to troll Colby and get his father pardoned. His manager took a picture with trump and all of his fighters except usman. You can’t make a statement that Trump is parading kamaru around and you can’t even find a single photo of them together or even a photo of kamaru wearing a maga hat.

 

[that guy]

Ok breh
I’m not acting like he’s some “avid Trump supporter”, but the fact of the matter is he gave his support. If you read what you quoted from me, I said that nikkas made a business decision and chose to be there. It’s not WW3 levels of serious, but it’s also not some cute little incidental thing.

How is Trump parading Usman around?

Because at a rally called “Blacks for Trump” he shouted Kamaru out in the crowd as one of his supporters and saying he backs him too. Even got to talking about his muscles

That’s what celebrity political endorsements are. Did you watch the video or are you just arguing?




I never claimed to know or give a shyt about what dude feels in his heart, I said he went to a MAGA rally and gave him a political endorsement. To me, that’s whack. You might feel differently, which is your right.

I don’t “fake care” about it too much if I dropped $70 last night and rooted for breh to win. But that doesn’t mean I can’t also call some shyt for what it is.

why do you think all of Ali’s big fighters are in this photo except usman?

 

[BigBrown21]

Now you’re just making stuff up smh please feel free to post any evidence of kamaru endorsing trump. Do you know the definition of support? Supporting trump is voting, donating, endorsing. None of which Kamaru did. His manager wants a presidential recognition because it’s good for his business, that has nothing to do with usman. You just admitted he was there because of his manager and on top of that he wanted to troll Colby and get his father pardoned. His manager took a picture with trump and all of his fighters except usman. You can’t make a statement that Trump is parading kamaru around and you can’t even find a single photo of them together or even a photo of kamaru wearing a maga hat.

 

[that guy]

Bro did you not read the previous pages of the thread? You must be a casual mma fan. This was a Colby Covington troll.

 

[BigBrown21]

Bro did you not read the previous pages of the thread? You must be a casual mma fan. This was a Colby Covington troll.

Sorry I didn't see those my bad bro.

 

[True Blue Moon]

Now you’re just making stuff up smh please feel free to post any evidence of kamaru endorsing trump. Do you know the definition of support? Supporting trump is voting, donating, endorsing. None of which Kamaru did. His manager wants a presidential recognition because it’s good for his business, that has nothing to do with usman. You just admitted he was there because of his manager and on top of that he wanted to troll Colby and get his father pardoned. His manager took a picture with trump and all of his fighters except usman. You can’t make a statement that Trump is parading kamaru around and you can’t even find a single photo of them together or even a photo of kamaru wearing a maga hat.

He provided Trump his support by being in attendance at the rally in the video. The entire point of the rally was to support Trump’s campaign hopes a week before the election to garner votes for the demographics that he needed. Trump shouted him out and thanked him in his speech in front of cameras and supporters. Trump needed the black and Hispanic vote. Jorge was highlighted at the Latinos for Trump rally and Kamaru was highlighted at the Blacks for Trump rally, held the same day. That is, and has always been how celebrity endorsements work, my brother.

He’s still the champ though, and a bad motherfukker.

 

[heart]

Usman cleaning up the division. wouldn't be surprised if he moves up to middleweight for champ-champ status but he won't fight Izzy. either way, Usman deserves that #1 P4P.

Yes I agree he deserves the P4P.

I dont think Usman will move up. He has really bad knees, he was even talking about an early retirement even before this fight. He's about to be 34 in may as well and has already said many times he wont fight for long because of how hard the training is. He talked about only being able to walk in grass at one point because the cement hurt his knees too much. He will fight once more this year and I think by the end of next year, he may be done.

Even though Masivdal is a journeyman, he is a huge draw, especially after the askren fight and Usman probably made even more money off the second fight. Despite Colby trolling, their PPV match didn't draw huge numbers.

Now going forward, trump is NOT in office, that MAGA shyt is not as polarizing and usman dropped colby twice, broke his jaw, and finished him in a convincing fashion. UFC will sell it but I don't see it even getting the same buys as the first one, and usman has gotten so much better since then and will destroy colby even worse this time.

Usman already had the strong chin, great wrestling, good TDD and cardio. But him going to Desoto, working with Errol Spense and other boxers has improved his boxing so much. His improvement since he beat woodley for title has been amazing to watch..

 

[Roid Jones]

I think he would too.

If Jake knocks him out put Dana on suicide watch.

Jake could offer DC his biggest payday in his life and Dana would be begging dc not to take the fight.

Yeah Dana needs to put an end on all this shyt, I wouldn't let any UFC contracted fighter take part in this

 

[GzUp]

Yeah Dana needs to put an end on all this shyt, I wouldn't let any UFC contracted fighter take part in this

If the fighter is getting paid big money then Dana should allow it, he was all in the videos during the Conor vs Floyd.