Dame Dash is one of the biggest frauds in Hip-Hop. (March 2022 UPDATE!)

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You sound like one of those Jigga groupies who bombarded my timeline with Jay’s 4.44 album when it came out - with claims that Jay was kicking knowledge, lol. The truth is: you can’t teach what you don’t know and someone like Jay has to stand next to those who know to keep thriving.

Honestly, I don’t hate Hov and I actually appreciate him for the great things he has achieved. However, I’m not one of those who worship people’s image and whatever they’ve been able to accumulate financially - I study what people do, how they go about doing it and their ingenuity. And Hov just doesn’t have it. Very fortunate and cunning man, I must add.

Hov to me is like a parasite that needs a host to thrive. And when you study all his successful moves - he played the parasite role perfectly. However, every time he steps out of the parasitic role - he falls flat on his face e.g. his involvement in boxing and the huge losses he took. No shame in playing the parasite role especially in a country like the US and how it’s setup.

You have to say, “we’re past kneeling” and claim part ownership of Brooklyn Nets despite owning a negligible 0.00000001shares - for the bag. It’s a hustle but it doesn’t make you an innovator with ideas who can teach. Once people understand the difference between the 2 - they’ll start giving Dame his dues.

50cent, Ice Cube and Dame are the 3 most intelligent people in hip hop alive (I left Russell Simmons out for a reason). Dame just burned too many bridges and got himself blackballed. On pure smarts and business savviness - I can listen to these 3 talk all day. But I can’t listen to Hov for 5mins unless he’s rapping.

Salute to Hov tho.

And me being a Hov groupie might be a fair assessment, but facts are facts where he's at versus Dame. Hov's business success is more symbiotic than parasitic. Being able to predict trends is absolutely a facet of business acumen. Everyone has a brand attached to them now and Jay has one of the strongest throughout all of business.

Dame is smart at business, but he's a hammer and being a hammer is absolutely necessary; I've witnessed this in my own career, but being able to turn it off and manage the relationship more productively helps facilitate a longer-lasting relationship rather than let's just get this assignment over with so I don't have to work with you again. 50 is a hammer too, but he can turn it off.

In your mind, do you really think that his persona conducive to people wanting to working with him longterm and that it's possible that he is where he is because of it?
 

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He always reminded me of a scammer



I don't think Dame a scammer


I think he talks himself in a corner and he have too much pride to chill


If I told you someone had all that success but even his closest associates won't do business with him


And sued him


Said he stole money


What would you say
 

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Do you think smart successful people need be told this or dumb stupid mofos?

Anybody who is serious about starting a business knows from common sense they need to RESEARCH whatever they are about to get into. Stupid muthafukkas jump right into shyt without knowing anything.

The problem is you keep thinking on behalf of stupid nikkas. What Dame said is pure motivational talk. If people took it as some sort of personal business advice then that's on them.


You c00n if you do, your c00n if you don't


He’s a c00n but this real talk
 

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If dame got the money yall think he got

He couldnt be blackballed

There are levels to blackballing..

Dame got a streaming deal with foxsoul..He might be on a come up..Dame is blackballed from the higher circles because of his attitude and arrogance..if he calmed himself down, he can still maneuver at a respectable level and potentially be right back in the mix.

Master P is blackballed because he ran off on the plugs...
 

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He almost got me bruh :aicmon:

He got me too. Had me thinking Jay was a snake and that Dame just got jerked by him. But like I said, if he was a real businessman he would’ve been bounced back. Nas was always considered the “poet/artist”, never the Wall Street business type. Yet he done invested in Coinbase, Robinhood, PillPack, Ring, and made millions. Yet Dame, “the business man” is still crying about Jay-Z twenty years later.
 

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And me being a Hov groupie might be a fair assessment, but facts are facts where he's at versus Dame. Hov's business success is more symbiotic than parasitic. Being able to predict trends is absolutely a facet of business acumen. Everyone has a brand attached to them now and Jay has one of the strongest throughout all of business.

Dame is smart at business, but he's a hammer and being a hammer is absolutely necessary; I've witnessed this in my own career, but being able to turn it off and manage the relationship more productively helps facilitate a longer-lasting relationship rather than let's just get this assignment over with so I don't have to work with you again. 50 is a hammer too, but he can turn it off.

In your mind, do you really think that his persona conducive to people wanting to working with him longterm and that it's possible that he is where he is because of it?

[my use of “parasite” isn’t a literal - it’s figurative].

Great you admitted you’re a groupie. So, you’ll admit that it clouds your sense of judgement and objectivity, no?

When you listened to the hyped 4.44 album: apart from the fancy words/things - would you admit that it was bland - with no true message? You know why? - it’s because you can’t teach what you son know.

What trends did Jay Z predict? Visiting Europe and taking things that have already been rinsed out in Europe to America and popularising it in the urban culture there doesn’t mean you’re predicting trends. If that were the case - then Columbus must’ve discovered the Americas then. But we all know that isn’t the case.

I agree with you that Dame’s arrogance and inability to build bridges and maintain relationships is one of his biggest flaws. No one can be an Island. 50cent also has some of that but he knows his limits. And unlike Dame he wasn’t out there publicly going to war with the unseen hands that run the show behind the scene since we all know his “culture vulture” campaign was targeted at the Jews. That’s career suicide hence he’s where he’s today.

Trust me, when you have great ideas and there’s money to be made - people will overlook your persona (50cent is a good example). But Dame is damaged goods because he went to war with the owners, wheelers and dealers of that world. Hov on the other hand is getting fatter whilst coasting as their token black man.

Hov and Dame in a blank space with the same opportunities - you and I know Hov won’t survive while Dame would make magic happen.
 

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[my use of “parasite” isn’t a literal - it’s figurative].

Great you admitted you’re a groupie. So, you’ll admit that it clouds your sense of judgement and objectivity, no?

When you listened to the hyped 4.44 album: apart from the fancy words/things - would you admit that it was bland - with no true message? You know why? - it’s because you can’t teach what you son know.

What trends did Jay Z predict? Visiting Europe and taking things that have already been rinsed out in Europe to America and popularising it in the urban culture there doesn’t mean you’re predicting trends. If that were the case - then Columbus must’ve discovered the Americas then. But we all know that isn’t the case.

I agree with you that Dame’s arrogance and inability to build bridges and maintain relationships is one of his biggest flaws. No one can be an Island. 50cent also has some of that but he knows his limits. And unlike Dame he wasn’t out there publicly going to war with the unseen hands that run the show behind the scene since we all know his “culture vulture” campaign was targeted at the Jews. That’s career suicide hence he’s where he’s today.

Trust me, when you have great ideas and there’s money to be made - people will overlook your persona (50cent is a good example). But Dame is damaged goods because he went to war with the owners, wheelers and dealers of that world. Hov on the other hand is getting fatter whilst coasting as their token black man.

Hov and Dame in a blank space with the same opportunities - you and I know Hov won’t survive while Dame would make magic happen.

I'm waiting for you to admit you're a Jay hater. There's no objectivity in your argument. You argue like have a personal stake in whether one is successful or fails.

Literal or figurative, you're implying he hops on trends. I'm implying he starts them or has the foresight to see them arise. He realized branding was the next big wave in business and leveraged it to increase his revenue and build relationships.

  • Bought an ownership stake in a team. Even if it was 1%, it allowed him to say he owned a team and it opened doors for him. It's the very reason Kanye keeps saying he's a billionaire when he's not. Inflating your value opens doors for you. This is done the square business world all of the time.
  • Bought several liquor brands before anyone.
  • Was one of the first rappers to have his own clothing brand.
  • He popularized rappers having their own shoe.
  • He owned his own high end nightclub before anyone else.
  • He invested in Uber before it blew up.
  • He's invested in recreational weed.
  • He retrieved his own masters.
  • He bought Tidal.
Not saying Jay is a business genius, I'm just saying he's not lucky. Dame is crucial to Jay's initial success, but you seem to think Dame would be alright without Jay...this is simply not the case and has been evidenced before and after Jay. Dame used to manage Mase and he couldn't blow up Mase and I think Cam? They both needed each other and it was a right place right time for both of them. To say otherwise is simply hating which you're failing to acknowledge you are doing.
 
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Already been talked about by Clark Kent who tried to get on Jigga early but couldn't. He said he put Jay with Dame and the rest was history.

All Dame and Biggs did was come with some money to put with Hov money, he would've found other people to put up the money if they did it

has nothing to do with his image, they didnt write any raps, or do anything musically in that realm to shape Jay-Z, what are you talking about
 
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