Daaamn....Haitian Jack calls Lil Shawn a dikksucker/whore/wannabe

[spliz]

Seems like you need to get the timeline of the events right.

“Knowingly talked reckless” so he couldn’t move the way he did as soon as he was released from prison? Despite Puffy/Biggie releasing who shot ya (was recorded before he got shot but the intentions of the release was questionable), despite the fact that Biggie (not Puffy or Junior mafia) went on a radio show saying “how you going to let Pac and Dogg Pound shoot a music video in NY (New York, New York) when Pac wasn’t even there? Knowing that Henchmen and his goons (he was involved in the trailer shooting) shut up Snoop and DPGs trailer?

Hit Em Up and Pacs antics was all reactionary to Biggie/Puffys actions after he got shot. There’s nothing innocent about Biggie and Puffy.

“Lives ruined because he could t admit he was wrong”
Your view point is misconstrued because you like to simplify things. So Badboy hiring South Side Crips a direct RIVAL to the Mobb Piru didn’t contribute to “ruining lives”? New Yorkers meddling in LA gang culture didn’t “ruin lives”? Doing a victory lap in LA after Pacs death didn’t “ruin lives”?

Biggie had nothing to do with Pacs robbery and Pac later corrected himself and said he was more upset that he wasn’t there for him (debatable). This is known and anyone saying otherwise is just flat out retarded. Why wasn’t Biggies name mentioned in Agaisnt All Odds if Pac just casually “threw out” that Biggie was the “leader behind it”?

I’m not even going to get into that claim that Pac fuelled the East v West, too lazy to debunk such a stupid claim.

Bro just drop it. I literally broke down the timeline of events to this fukkboi like 6 different times in this thread and he runs back and says the same shyt. Im not even gonna continue to argue with a fool.

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

Seems like you need to get the timeline of the events right.

“Knowingly talked reckless” so he couldn’t move the way he did as soon as he was released from prison? Despite Puffy/Biggie releasing who shot ya (was recorded before he got shot but the intentions of the release was questionable), despite the fact that Biggie (not Puffy or Junior mafia) went on a radio show saying “how you going to let Pac and Dogg Pound shoot a music video in NY (New York, New York) when Pac wasn’t even there? Knowing that Henchmen and his goons (he was involved in the trailer shooting) shut up Snoop and DPGs trailer?
Hit Em Up and Pacs antics was all reactionary to Biggie/Puffys actions after he got shot. There’s nothing innocent about Biggie and Puffy.
“Lives ruined because he could t admit he was wrong”
Your view point is misconstrued because you like to simplify things. So Badboy hiring South Side Crips a direct RIVAL to the Mobb Piru didn’t contribute to “ruining lives”? New Yorkers meddling in LA gang culture didn’t “ruin lives”? Doing a victory lap in LA after Pacs death didn’t “ruin lives”?
Biggie had nothing to do with Pacs robbery and Pac later corrected himself and said he was more upset that he wasn’t there for him (debatable). This is known and anyone saying otherwise is just flat out retarded. Why wasn’t Biggies name mentioned in Agaisnt All Odds if Pac just casually “threw out” that Biggie was the “leader behind it”?
I’m not even going to get into that claim that Pac fuelled the East v West, too lazy to debunk such a stupid claim.

Some of your point were already addressed. This is why simplifying situations and being a casual of both artist is an advantage

By focusing on the studio shooting, it stops speculations and reaches about
-timeframes,
-motives behind releasing an already recorded song
-who was/wasn't busy to communicate
...all used to deflect from the hard task of discrediting the nikkas involved, who said they told Pac who set him up

so he did “Knowingly talked reckless about innocent people,” and “Lives ruined because he could t admit he was wrong,” so nikkas he cut off in NY, had to return back to the street cause their music opportunity was gone

 

[Renzo]

Celebrity worshiping is a dangerous disease...all participants' testimony/facts/basic reasoning is not as important as the perspective of the celebrity and his feelings
That why stardom is so intoxicating and addictive, where you're never wrong and folks praise/cape for you no matter what the facts say or how many stories from different perspectives/people support each other


this is silly. You can't complain about moving the goal post,
-while deflecting by focusing on Flex
-calling me a hater, despite me admitting to being a casual who just watched videos of all the people involved, and reached an unbiased conclusion
...inorder to prove Pac's version as correct because you can't discredit the people directly involved

Flex says he was in the industry back then, if he was then it gives him more credibility than TI or any recent Pac defenders who are knowingly biased pretending not to be. But yall will expose yourselves anytime details are to be examined

Breh no disrespect but fukk all that nonsense and bullshyt you talking young nikka.. do your own research then, fukk you expect nikkas to fill you in on some shyt that happened a quarter of a century ago to sway you one way or another? Who fukk you suppose to be? Do your own research and form your own opinion dummy.. theres countless videos and articles written on this subject from both sides.

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

Breh no disrespect but fukk all that nonsense and bullshyt you talking young nikka.. do your own research then, fukk you expect nikkas to fill you in on some shyt that happened a quarter of a century ago to sway you one way or another? Who fukk you suppose to be? Do your own research and form your own opinion dummy.. theres countless videos and articles written on this subject from both sides.

Things stans would say...don't listen to the folks involved, pick a side and look for videos for 2nd/third/fourth/fifth person hot takes based on hearsay and their feelings
You need to take your own advice, don't pick a side, do actual research, listen to only nikkas involved, stop reaching and worshiping a man

If you nikkas lack research discipline on this topic, imagine how yall nikkas are about social/political discussions that's filled with propaganda and fake news. You nikkas are food to these PR firms

 

[Benefited]

Why did pac go out his way to become cool with jack then if he was so “ irrelevant “?? you just a Stan that has a clouded vision .... jack was respected in the streets facts

Pac said he was a groupie and a hanger on,which I 100% believe thats how he came accross. Whether Pac admired and respected the power and money Jack had is another story. But we all know who initiated that relationship,and was courting who. Whether or not it was for sinister purposes,or because Jack just liked the idea of hanging out with celebs is another story. More than likely they were gassing up Pac to use him for their own gain,but gassing is gassing. And Pac told them all to eat a dikk for their troubles and shytted on Jack. So obviously he didn't respect whatever he saw like yall say he did,he was small time to Pac.

 

[truth2you]

either way jacks name wasn’t on the list of informants as telling on pac in the rape case ... again why is it I found henchmans paper work online yonks ago but stil nothing on jack

I just explained to you why

Go look at that Kevin Chiles interview on hot97 wiht flex. When he talked about AZ's man who snitched, you will notice the paperwork didn't say his name, but he put everything together, because he remember what happened that day. You don't necessarily have to put the informants name on the paper work

But, I don't care about these nikkas, do your thing with loving them. Peace

 

[seemorecizzy]

Facts .... biggie got dragged though the mud due to false rumours been spread.... majesty already broke that shyt down on queensflip interview recently ... e money bags and nickles went to see pac in prison and told him biggie n junior mafia had nothing to do with it n that pac already done the vibe interview and that pac wasn’t the type to take back what he said .... that’s exactly what happened he was saving face and didn’t wanna look fake for putting out false rumours and having to take back his words .... so he ran with it .....

this falls in line with pac saying "its just rap, its just entertainment" when biggie saw him face to face and asked him why he was acting all crazy

 

[ChosenOne_90]

this falls in line with pac saying "its just rap, its just entertainment" when biggie saw him face to face and asked him why he was acting all crazy

That never happened at The Soul Train Awards, I do believe Biggie told his mother that so she wouldn't be so worried.

 

[Nomad1]

Some of your point were already addressed. This is why simplifying situations and being a casual of both artist is an advantage

By focusing on the studio shooting, it stops speculations and reaches about
-timeframes,
-motives behind releasing an already recorded song
-who was/wasn't busy to communicate
...all used to deflect from the hard task of discrediting the nikkas involved, who said they told Pac who set him up

so he did “Knowingly talked reckless about innocent people,” and “Lives ruined because he could t admit he was wrong,” so nikkas he cut off in NY, had to return back to the street cause their music opportunity was gone

No ones deflecting anything, Tupac did go at the nikkas that were involved (Henchmen, Jack, Puffy). I already laid out two big things Biggie did which Pac responded by releasing diss tracks (NY 87 with Quick and Dogg Pound, Hit em up as a response to Who Shot Ya). When Dogg Pound and Snoops trailer got shot up they could have died, and he uttered Pac's name which would mean he wanted Pac dead/hurt, no?
Nore and countless other rappers have talked about this incident so this isn't some made up shyt.

So I have to repeat this again; he wasn't talking reckless to innocent people (especially Biggie and Puffy, you're mostly alluding to those two) and who are these people that Pac ruined financially because of the fallout?

 

[Nomad1]

this falls in line with pac saying "its just rap, its just entertainment" when biggie saw him face to face and asked him why he was acting all crazy

That did not come from Biggie or anyone from badboy. That came from his mom and that should be taken with a grain of salt. It obviously applies Afeni talking about Biggie too.

 

[seemorecizzy]

Son. I literally broke down every single reason Pac came at Biggie and u just ignoring all of that. nikka he came at Jimmy and Jack TOO. In the damn INITIAL Vibe interview. He mentioned them nikkas. The editor edited their names out and Pac was mad about that. The editor said it himself. This is before he even said a word about Biggie. Do u not understand that? He came at them nikkas by NAME. Matter fact Biggie was barely even mentioned thru the whole Makaveli album as well.

pac gave all them dudes the middle finger right after he got shot lol
biggie included
big did reach out to him
do you think the vibe magazine was the first time he ever said anything? lol
obviously word of how he felt hit the streets before it hit the vibe


pac coulda mentioned how biggie came to the hospital to see him 2 days in a row. i'm sure his pops told him biggie showed up
he coulda said upon further review, biggie had nothing to do with my shooting and apologized for puttin him out there like that
he coulda did a lot of things if he was about the truth, but he was just wanted to ride the wave, and he felt untouchable with suge as his back up

 

[seemorecizzy]

That did not come from Biggie or anyone from badboy. That came from his mom and that should be taken with a grain of salt. It obviously applies Afeni talking about Biggie too.

true,
but again, if pac was told by his reliable sources that big had nothin to do with it, and was still riding with it, the entertainment factor does make sense

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

No ones deflecting anything, Tupac did go at the nikkas that were involved (Henchmen, Jack, Puffy). I already laid out two big things Biggie did which Pac responded by releasing diss tracks (NY 87 with Quick and Dogg Pound, Hit em up as a response to Who Shot Ya). When Dogg Pound and Snoops trailer got shot up they could have died, and he uttered Pac's name which would mean he wanted Pac dead/hurt, no?
Nore and countless other rappers have talked about this incident so this isn't some made up shyt.

So I have to repeat this again; he wasn't talking reckless to innocent people (especially Biggie and Puffy, you're mostly alluding to those two) and who are these people that Pac ruined financially because of the fallout?

smh. Why do Nore and countless other rappers' opinions matter when we have folks that were involved in the shooting, sharing their experience

Spoiler

Things stans would say...don't listen to the folks involved, pick a side and look for videos for 2nd/third/fourth/fifth person hot takes based on hearsay and their feelings

This is why I focus on the studio shooting so that "innocence" isn't taken out of context to juelz with bubu Big should've visited/he should've stop acting funny...all irrelevant nonsense to cape for a nikka that should've had proof before making accusations

The corny shyt is, keep the same situation, but replace the names, anybody else that does what Pac did, wouldn't be supported by yall

 

[Nomad1]

smh. Why do Nore and countless other rappers' opinions matter when we have folks that were involved in the shooting, sharing their experience

This is why I focus on the studio shooting so that "innocence" isn't taken out of context to juelz with bubu Big should've visited/he should've stop acting funny...all irrelevant nonsense to cape for a nikka that should've had proof before making accusations

The corny shyt is, keep the same situation, but replace the names, anybody else that does what Pac did, wouldn't be supported by yall

Your quote makes no sense, Nore and the "others" heard the radio when it happened, and a shooting took place right after. Anyone hearing Biggie say what he said is apart of that experience. "Dont listen to the folks involved", okay DPG called Biggie out on it and made a diss record as a response NY 87, I already talked about that on my last post tf
nikka dont act like Badboy/Pac haters dont "listen to the people involved". And when they try to they cite Biggie's mom, Lil Cease, some janitor that used to work at the badboy offices
"Had proof before making accusations" how the fukk is Pac supposed to "get proof" when hes in fukking jail?

Argue all you want about Stanley this or that;
-Biggie making a hit on a radio show ----> Pac, DPG, DJ Quick respond with NY87
-Biggie releases Who Shot Ya -----> Pac responds with Hit Em Up

Tupac was attacking Biggie mostly for those two reasons, NOT about "Biggie setting him up" or all that other dumb shyt you mis-informed nikkas keep talking about.

Now for the people that shot him and robbed him in NY Pac addressed them in Against All Odds, he said he was going to deal with them but we all know why he couldn't
Like I said you don't have the right timeline of events, up to you to do the research.

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

Your quote makes no sense, Nore and the "others" heard the radio when it happened, and a shooting took place right after. Anyone hearing Biggie say what he said is apart of that experience. "Dont listen to the folks involved", okay DPG called Biggie out on it and made a diss record as a response NY 87, I already talked about that on my last post tf
nikka dont act like Badboy/Pac haters dont "listen to the people involved". And when they try to they cite Biggie's mom, Lil Cease, some janitor that used to work at the badboy offices
"Had proof before making accusations" how the fukk is Pac supposed to "get proof" when hes in fukking jail?

Argue all you want about Stanley this or that;
-Biggie making a hit on a radio show ----> Pac, DPG, DJ Quick respond with NY87
-Biggie releases Who Shot Ya -----> Pac responds with Hit Em Up

Tupac was attacking Biggie mostly for those two reasons, NOT about "Biggie setting him up" or all that other dumb shyt you mis-informed nikkas keep talking about.

Now for the people that shot him and robbed him in NY Pac addressed them in Against All Odds, he said he was going to deal with them but we all know why he couldn't
Like I said you don't have the right timeline of events, up to you to do the research.

bubu he heard it on the radio

Spoiler

By focusing on the studio shooting, it stops speculations and reaches about
-timeframes,
-motives behind releasing an already recorded song
-who was/wasn't busy to communicate
...all used to deflect from the hard task of discrediting the nikkas involved, who said they told Pac who set him up

again, Flex narrative is supported by Cease and the nikkas that got shot, but you want to focus on DPG response