Curry is on track to surpass MJ, better than Lebron.
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BlueHeffner
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No one on this entire board thought the dubs was gonna win the Chip besides @Waterproof
Tatum is small George 2.0Jason Tatum forgetting how to dribble in the finals really let this nonsense resurface
Dwight Howard
Superstar
They were deeper than any team they played in the playoffs. And the reality is, they got excellent contributions from guys like wiggins and Poole. They played Denver without MPJ and Murray, Memphis without Ja and then Luka/ Brunson. Boston was probably the only team on their level when you take injuries into consideration.He beat him head to head in their lone playoff matchup, and has 2 more rings than him and won 2x without him
All the finals mvp proves is that KD put up better numbers in that lone series. That holds less weight
They have a decent squad. It really isn't that great, they rely a lot on Curry
Same Dallas team that beat a 60 win Phoenix team in 7
They played better when Ja was healthy
And Denver had Murray/MPJ out all year, so they were what they were.
Poole was inconsistent.
I had the Warriors being good
Didn't know they'd win. But I had them going to the Finals because I know that when Curry is available and Dray and Klay are healthy, no one can beat them at their game other than LeBron
I grew up before MJ was considered GOAT and I don't remember this Russell hype at all.
On the streets in the late 80s / early 90s young people called Magic the GOAT over Bird except for the occasional outlier who reached back for Wilt, Oscar, or Kareem. I'm sure there were people saying Russell too but they would have been old heads.
lol - did some research and managed to find this old-ass internet argument from 1986. It's just two guys but one says Kareem, the other says Wilt. Russell gets a mention too. Of course this is before Magic won his 3 MVPs or his 4th and 5th titles.
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Here's a reddit thread with a guy born in 1970 who says there was no consensus at all. He says Sports Illustrated in the 1980s used to argue between Magic and Larry, and that Wilt, Russell, and Kareem all got mentioned as the all-time best big but he would have had Kareem by a nose.
Another one of a guy watching '91 footage of Magic announcing AIDS and all the news coverage saying he was the greatest basketball player of all time:
Another saying it was debated between Magic and Bird, with Kareem, Wilt, or Russell all getting lesser consideration:
It was bill Russell
No one on the board knew that the Dubs would be all healthy at the end of the year and practically everyone else would not be.
I don't even get why this talking point is seen as a plus for Steph. Steph played worse than last year, so why does the Warriors exceeding expectations show anything about his transcendence? They exceeded expectations because Wiggins and Poole improved and everyone on their team ended up healthy while other teams did not. What did Steph show in the regular season this year that he didn't show the year before when they failed to make the playoffs at all?
murksiderock
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Nah I think before Mike there was no one guy seen as consensus GOAT. Maybe pre-1980 it leaned Russell with a share of Wilt and Kareem heads but in the 80s I think Magic and Bird blew the doors open and made it a conversation that was pretty split between like 5 guys...
Recency bias and popularity probably favored Magic and Bird RIGHT before Mike took over, though...
He beat KD head-to-headSteph could've proven he was better than kd when they were on the same team. Instead, we all saw kd win two finals mvps and play the best when it mattered most.
No one wants to trade for his ass now.
Again, he's tryna run from the grind again.
Minimal dawg in him
this nikka big mad
salty ass nikka. Stay mad
Not even gonna talk about Denver. They weren't healthy to start the season, they were what they were. a 6 seed
The Warriors were in the middle of blowing out the grizzlies before Ja got hurt. He was also figured out for being a horrendous defender. nikkas overrate a 3rd year Ja Morant like there isnt a whole other side of basketball called defense, and him being Trae young levels of sorry on defense isn't gonna allow him to beat the Warriors
The Mavericks were healthy, coming off embarrassing the 64-win PHX suns. They didn't have Tim Hardaway Jr., who was having a terrible year before he got injured. Not to mention he cant play defense
And lets not act like the Warriors didn't lose GP2 and have OPJ miss games in the playoff from injury. Gary Payton and Iguodala missed 2 entire series.
At the end of it all, they played the celtics, who were healthy. And the Warriors beat them in 6. And it would've been 5 if the Celts didnt get lucky as hell in the 4th quarter of game 1.
The ONLY reason the warriors didnt make the playoffs is because they played James Wiseman 25 MPG. James Wiseman was the WORST frontcourt rotation player in the NBA. He statistically made steph a negative on the court. If they didn't play him so many minutes, they'd be higher in the seeding. Also Steph injured his tailbone and missed 8 games (Warriors went 1-7 in that stretch). The were on pace to get the 5 seed before he went down, EVEN being dragged down by trash ass James Wiseman
Also they were able to get decent players like Otto Porter, GP2, and Bjelica. If you give steph decent players, he can get u a chip. If you give him fringe NBA/dunce cap talent like Kent Bazemore, Mychal Mulder, James Wiseman, Brad Wannamaker, and Kelly Oubre, you prolly arent gonna win with them.
GPBear
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you're just gonna act like this last ring didn't happen huh lolYou mean the guy who won half of his championships as the second best player on his team
2016-2019 Warriors put a ceiling on how high Curry will rank. His team won literal playoff series' without him and KD had the biggest games/moments when it mattered most.
saying Curry's a better winner than Jordan is crazy tho
The audacity of trying to sneak Kawhi in there.
It’s actually because they ran into LeBron in the play in tournament.this nikka big mad
salty ass nikka. Stay mad
Not even gonna talk about Denver. They weren't healthy to start the season, they were what they were. a 6 seed
The Warriors were in the middle of blowing out the grizzlies before Ja got hurt. He was also figured out for being a horrendous defender. nikkas overrate a 3rd year Ja Morant like there isnt a whole other side of basketball called defense, and him being Trae young levels of sorry on defense isn't gonna allow him to beat the Warriors
The Mavericks were healthy, coming off embarrassing the 64-win PHX suns. They didn't have Tim Hardaway Jr., who was having a terrible year before he got injured. Not to mention he cant play defense
And lets not act like the Warriors didn't lose GP2 and have OPJ miss games in the playoff from injury. Gary Payton and Iguodala missed 2 entire series.
At the end of it all, they played the celtics, who were healthy. And the Warriors beat them in 6. And it would've been 5 if the Celts didnt get lucky as hell in the 4th quarter of game 1.
The ONLY reason the warriors didnt make the playoffs is because they played James Wiseman 25 MPG. James Wiseman was the WORST frontcourt rotation player in the NBA. He statistically made steph a negative on the court. If they didn't play him so many minutes, they'd be higher in the seeding. Also Steph injured his tailbone and missed 8 games (Warriors went 1-7 in that stretch). The were on pace to get the 5 seed before he went down, EVEN being dragged down by trash ass James Wiseman
Also they were able to get decent players like Otto Porter, GP2, and Bjelica. If you give steph decent players, he can get u a chip. If you give him fringe NBA/dunce cap talent like Kent Bazemore, Mychal Mulder, James Wiseman, Brad Wannamaker, and Kelly Oubre, you prolly arent gonna win with them.
they wouldnt be in the play-in if Steph didnt get hurt and Wiseman wasn't a one man tank job
What's LeBron's excuse for ending the season 16 games under .500 with a worse cast than Curry had in 2021
