Creationists Demand Equal Time On Cosmos

[tmonster]

no...not really.
Creationism isn't a theory, it's a belief. The difference isn't even subtle. You cannot have a scientific show and use the bible as proof...that's just not very scientific.

If I come out and say a giant turtle shyt the universe out does that deserve equal air time too? Are these creationist going to champion oh I don't know let's say a Wiccan acount of creation? How about the native American, Norse or Greek version? WE going to give "equal" air time to those BELIEFS as well?

Perhaps we could talk to the "church" channel and see about them picking up Cosmos and airing it Sunday morning right between Joel Olsten and Benny Hinn?

between? you mean during, that's the equivalent to their..... request

 

[Chris.B]

no...not really.
Creationism isn't a theory, it's a belief. The difference isn't even subtle. You cannot have a scientific show and use the bible as proof...that's just not very scientific.

If I come out and say a giant turtle shyt the universe out does that deserve equal air time too? Are these creationist going to champion oh I don't know let's say a Wiccan acount of creation? How about the native American, Norse or Greek version? WE going to give "equal" air time to those BELIEFS as well?

Perhaps we could talk to the "church" channel and see about them picking up Cosmos and airing it Sunday morning right between Joel Olsten and Benny Hinn?

Believe it or not big bang is very much inline with Christian doctrine.

For starters it was first proposed by a Christian priest.

When God said let there be light...the big bang began....

 

[brick james]

Believe it or not big bang is very much inline with Christian doctrine.

For starters it was first proposed by a Christian priest.

When God said let there be light...the big bang began....

When Vishnu said let the turtle shyt out the universe, the big bang began... it all makes sense now, the gas was building up in the cosmic turtles lower bowels

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Believe it or not big bang is very much inline with Christian doctrine.

For starters it was first proposed by a Christian priest.

When God said let there be light...the big bang began....

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"It was Lemaître's firm belief that scientific endeavour should stand isolated from the religious realm. With specific regard to his Big Bang theory, he commented: 'As far as I can see, such a theory remains entirely outside any metaphysical or religious question.' Lemaître had always been careful to keep his parallel careers in cosmology and theology on separate tracks, in the belief that one led him to a clearer comprehension of the material world, while the other led to a greater understanding of the spiritual realm... ...Not surprisingly, he was frustrated and annoyed by the Pope's deliberate mixing of theology and cosmology. One student who saw Lemaître upon his return from hearing the Pope's address to the Academy recalled him 'storming into class...his usual jocularity entirely missing'."

~Simon Singh (2010). Big Bang. HarperCollins UK. p. 362.

 

[Chris.B]

give me a quote from the man himself not some bullshyt someone has written and attributed to him.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

give me a quote from the man himself not some bullshyt someone has written and attributed to him.

He died in 1966...also......

With specific regard to his Big Bang theory, he commented: 'As far as I can see, such a theory remains entirely outside any metaphysical or religious question.'

 

[Chris.B]

He died in 1966...also......


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no where else can this quote be verified.
I have read about him and that quote is BULL.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

For starters it was first proposed by a Christian priest.

I've literally seen you post this like 15 times in the past two days. no one gives a fukk, the big bang theory is completely separate from the religion of the man who suggested the theory. He didn't like to mix science and religion. In addition to being a roman catholic priest, he was also a physicist, astronomer and mathematician. I wonder what contributed more significantly to his theory, his education in physics and math or being catholic?

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

no where else can this quote be verified.
I have read about him and that quote is BULL.

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"Lemaître was determined to discourage the Pope from making proclamations about cosmology, partly to halt the embarrassment that was being caused to supporters of the Big Bang, but also to avoid any potential difficulties for the Church. ...Lemaître contacted Daniel O'Connell, director of the Vatican Observatory and the Pope's science advisor, and suggested that together they try to persuade the Pope to keep quiet on cosmology. The Pope was surprisingly compliant and agreed to the request - the Big Bang would no longer be a matter suitable for Papal addresses."

~~Simon Singh (2010). Big Bang. HarperCollins UK. p. 362.

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As far as I see, such a theory [of the primeval atom] remains entirely outside any metaphysical or religious question. It leaves the materialist free to deny any transcendental Being. He may keep, for the bottom of space-time, the same attitude of mind he has been able to adopt for events occurring in non-singular places in space-time. For the believer, it removes any attempt to familiarity with God, as were Laplace's chiquenaude or Jeans' finger. It is consonant with the wording of Isaiah speaking of the 'Hidden God' hidden even in the beginning of the universe ... Science has not to surrender in face of the Universe and when Pascal tries to infer the existence of God from the supposed infinitude of Nature, we may think that he is looking in the wrong direction.

~'The Primeval atom Hypothesis and the Problem of Clusters of Galaxies', in R. Stoops (ed.), La Structure et l'Evolution de l'Univers (1958), 1-32. Trans. Helge Kragh, Cosmology and Controversy: The Historical Development of Two Theories of the Universe (1996), 60.

 

[Chris.B]

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Bull and you know it.

Georges Lemaître never once said Religion and science don't mix.
The stuff here is in clear contradiction to his biography

You can read his Bio

 

[Chris.B]

I've literally seen you post this like 15 times in the past two days. no one gives a fukk, the big bang theory is completely separate from the religion of the man who suggested the theory. He didn't like to mix science and religion. In addition to being a roman catholic priest, he was also a physicist, astronomer and mathematician. I wonder what contributed more significantly to his theory, his education in physics and math or being catholic?

The point here is there isn't much day light between science and Christianity.

he was a christian first before a scientist...so a good assumption which can be made is...his belief in God helped him discover hidden mysteries

 

[Jello Biafra]

lol what is a third world then

developing nation is another term for 3rd world...higher learning

A 3rd World Nation would be considered underdeveloped.
All of these terms have evolved over time and had/have different interpretations but whatever the case Malaysia isn't a third world country.

 

[tmonster]

Believe it or not big bang is very much inline with Christian doctrine.

For starters it was first proposed by a Christian priest.

When God said let there be light...the big bang began....

seems legit:zfg:

 

[Jello Biafra]

When Vishnu said let the turtle shyt out the universe, the big bang began... it all makes sense now, the gas was building up in the cosmic turtles lower bowels

In the beginning, all was dark. Then out of the darkness came BUMBA, a giant pale-skinned figure. He was not feeling well. In fact he had not been feeling well for millions of years. He was lonely, and the unbearable solitude was making him ill.

Troubled by a ballooning bellyache, he staggered, moaned and vomited up the Sun. Light burst forth into the Universe — and he choked out the Moon. The stars came next and then, with a tremendous effort, he threw up the planet Earth. We do live in a very sick world.

This nauseating display was brought to a triumphant conclusion when, as an encore, he vomited forth nine animals, an assortment of humans, and a pile of diced carrots.

Exhausted from his labors, he sat and watched as the nine creatures multiplied. After a while, they had evolved into every living thing on Earth. Which just shows that Creationism and Evolution are both right.

 

[Chris.B]

A 3rd World Nation would be considered underdeveloped.
All of these terms have evolved over time and had/have different interpretations but whatever the case Malaysia isn't a third world country.

OK...just don't say it public or around any place of importance or you get laughed at....

I don't even know why I'm prolonging this...

have a good day.