Creationist offers 10K to anyone who debunk Genesis account in court

[Chris Mauro]

I'm not even against evolution but has ANYONE actually witnessed evolution? It's safe to say that we're all operating on faith, is it not?

When you say "evidence" you are admitting this. No one has ever witnessed evolution but they have faith in the theory just like no one has ever seen God create. There is EVIDENCE for both.

What is the evidence of God's existence? The existence of the universe. It's here and no one can explain how it got here. So far, the ONLY answer given has been God. Science doesn't have an answer for this question but the question is legit because, again, the universe exists. That's evidence. Some people have faith in God, some people have faith in science and some people have faith in both.

We've witnessed the after effects, the fossil record left behind and the DNA evidence that verifies each placement of where a species should be in the evolutionary branch. Not much faith involved in that process at all. The only other explanation is that we all spontaneously appeared out of nowhere.


Which God created the universe though, there are so many. Saying God did it really doesn't help us get a better understanding of how it came into being though. It only opens a new can of worms. Who created that God that created the universe?


Truth is, we don;t know the answers to these questions yet. And anyone claiming they do isn't being honest with you.





but as far as the evolution of animal life goes, the evidence is overwhelming. Anthropologist from all countries, ethnicity, backgrounds and walks of life all unanimously agree that we evolved.



The only people who disagree are overly religious people who have an agenda and they're in the intellectual minority. Placed in the same category as conspiracy theorist and people who have been abducted by aliens.

 

[Johnny Kilroy]

We've witnessed the after effects, the fossil record left behind and the DNA evidence that verifies each placement of where a species should be in the evolutionary branch. Not much faith involved in that process at all. The only other explanation is that we all spontaneously appeared out of nowhere.


Which God created the universe though, there are so many. Saying God did it really doesn't help us get a better understanding of how it came into being though. It only opens a new can of worms. Who created that God that created the universe?


Truth is, we don;t know the answers to these questions yet. And anyone claiming they do isn't being honest with you.





but as far as the evolution of animal life goes, the evidence is overwhelming. Anthropologist from all countries, ethnicity, backgrounds and walks of life all unanimously agree that we evolved.



The only people who disagree are overly religious people who have an agenda and they're in the intellectual minority. Placed in the same category as conspiracy theorist and people who have been abducted by aliens.

How can you say there's no faith? You've never witnessed evolution yourself. Therefore you're automatically acting on faith. The evidence presented was taken into account and a theory was developed. You believe in this theory, or have faith in it.

And what is this "which god" talk? Most people (Abrahamic faiths) worship the same God. Greek and Egyptian gods never were claimed to be the creators of the universe. When I say "God" that's all I'm talking about. God, not gods.

And like I said, I believe in evolution BUT how did it start? What does your overwhelming evidence say about that? If the evidence is so overwhelming then all questions should be satisfied, right?

 

[Chris Mauro]

How can you say there's no faith? You've never witnessed evolution yourself. Therefore you're automatically acting on faith. The evidence presented was taken into account and a theory was developed. You believe in this theory, or have faith in it.

And what is this "which god" talk? Most people (Abrahamic faiths) worship the same God. Greek and Egyptian gods never were claimed to be the creators of the universe. When I say "God" that's all I'm talking about. God, not gods.

And like I said, I believe in evolution BUT how did it start? What does your overwhelming evidence say about that? If the evidence is so overwhelming then all questions should be satisfied, right?

Only if the individual seeking such answers has the proper cognitive tools to comprehend the information available to them.


Anyone who properly understands the evidence realizes that no faith is involved. If gun powder is found on a killers hand, a letter in his pocket detailing the future murder, his DNA found in the victims vagina etc then it's safe to conclude that he was the one who committed the crime. Same is applied to the field of anthropology and evolution in general but not nearly as simple. There are books dedicated to the evolutionary origins of individual species alone. (I'm currently reading one dedicated strictly to Felidae right now )


The human species has existed long before the Abraham Gods came into existence. Modern man only appeared about 150-200 thousand years ago. Abrahamic faith is only about 10 thousand years old. Before then there were plenty of Gods people prayed to. It's very narcissistic for us to think that the God or Gods they worshiped were any less authentic than the modern Gods we have today. The same questions we're asking about the universe now they've already done thousand of years before we existed. The Abrahamic God has no monopoly on alleged answers to these types of questions.

 

[Johnny Kilroy]

Only if the individual seeking such answers has the proper cognitive tools to comprehend the information available to them.


Anyone who properly understands the evidence realizes that no faith is involved. If gun powder is found on a killers hand, a letter in his pocket detailing the future murder, his DNA found in the victims vagina etc then it's safe to conclude that he was the one who committed the crime. Same is applied to the field of anthropology and evolution in general


The human species has existed long before the Abraham Gods came into existence. Modern man only appeared about 150-200 thousand years ago. Abrahamic faith is only about 10 thousand years old. Before then there were plenty of Gods people prayed to. It's very narcissistic for us to think that the God or Gods they worshiped were any less authentic than the modern Gods we have today. The same questions we're asking about the universe now they've already done thousand of years before we existed. The Abrahamic God has no monopoly on alleged answers to these types of questions.

Since the evidence is so overwhelming then explain how it all started.

 

[Chris Mauro]

Since the evidence is so overwhelming then explain how it all started.

What started?



Human evolution or the first single celled organism?


There are plenty of textbooks on both topics, I suggest you take a look at them


If you're asking about the "origins" of life then that's something evolution does not deal with.

 

[Johnny Kilroy]

What started?



Human evolution or the first single celled organism?

Either or. Evolution, big bang, anything. None of these theories explain how they actually got started.

And before you answer, ask yourself if you know the answer or have faith in the answer. I'm sure you don't KNOW but I just want you to keep it real with yourself.

 

[Chris Mauro]

Either or. Evolution, big bang, anything. None of these theories explain how they actually got started.

And before you answer, ask yourself if you know the answer or have faith in the answer. I'm sure you don't KNOW but I just want you to keep it real with yourself.

What does evolution have to do with the big bang, two separate fields of science.


Again, as far as evolution is concerned, anyone who has a proper understanding of the scientific concept understands that it does not concern itself with the origins of life. It only explains the variation between species both alive and extinct

 

[Propaganda]

johnny kilroy's just trying to set you up for a ride on the god-of-the-gaps train.

 

[Johnny Kilroy]

What does evolution have to do with the big bang, two separate fields of science.


Again, as far as evolution is concern, anyone who has a proper understanding of the scientific concept understands that it does not concern itself with the origins of life. It only explains the variation between species both alive and extinct

I never said they had anything to do with one another.

If you wanna do that then what do either have to do with religion?

Thanks for answering my question though. But just to clarify, you're saying you don't know how any of these processes started?

 

[Chris Mauro]

johnny kilroy's just trying to set you up for a ride on the god-of-the-gaps train.

That doesn't work simply because it opens more doors to questions no one has answers to.


Until someone can explain to me how God came into being then they're basically in the same boat as atheist who believe everything came from nothing.

 

[BlvdBrawler]

I'm not even against evolution but has ANYONE actually witnessed evolution? It's safe to say that we're all operating on faith, is it not?

No.

Do mutations exist? Yes, we have observed them.
Does natural selection occur? Yes, we have observed it.
Does time pass? Yes, we have experienced it.

That's all evolution is.

 

[Johnny Kilroy]

johnny kilroy's just trying to set you up for a ride on the god-of-the-gaps train.

I'm simply pointing out that most thing in science we think we know, is actually faith based. No one has ever witnessed macro evolution, they simply have faith in it.

Nice job of avoiding the question and trying to put me in a box though. That's typical. It's called deflection. You can't answer my question so instead you focus on me. I'll let you know something though. I'm not a religious person at all. Didn't grow up with it, never really gave it much thought until recently.

In a sense you could almost say I was more of an atheist than anyone who calls themselves an atheist because they actually took the time to think about God and let that actually be a part of their lives, however they chose to look at it while I was completely oblivious to it all.




Now... can YOU answer the question? If not STFU.

 

[Johnny Kilroy]

That doesn't work simply because it opens more doors to questions no one has answers to.


Until someone can explain to me how God came into being then they're basically in the same boat as atheist who believe everything came from nothing.

Ahh that's EXACTLY my point! Until someone can explain God you'll be skeptical. But you can't fully explain your position either which should make one equally skeptical, no?

You hit the nail on the head though: Both sides are in the same boat.

 

[Chris Mauro]

I never said they had anything to do with one another.

If you wanna do that then what do either have to do with religion?

Thanks for answering my question though. But just to clarify, you're saying you don't know how any of these processes started?

Correct


But I am not a scientist and there may be plenty of people more educated than I in the topic who probably have fascinating ideas or how it came to be. It would also be interesting to see if they could created DNA from non living matter. Which could possibly even be inevitable. Human beings are capable of mind blowing things.


This doesn't mean that Religious people's answers are legit or hold any weight.


Regardless of how it started there's plenty of evidence that details what happened AFTER it happened. And anyone who doesn't agree is simply perverse in their understanding.

 

[Johnny Kilroy]

No.

Do mutations exist? Yes, we have observed them.
Does natural selection occur? Yes, we have observed it.
Does time pass? Yes, we have experienced it.

That's all evolution is.

Wait a minute. Are you telling me you're the first human being ever to witness evolution?