Evolution doesn't disprove intelligent design. We can see and explain how things happen. But we can't explain why they happen or how they started. A creator could have just set the parameters and hit the go button.
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This. DNA evidence has proven evolution, to a level that stands up in court. ever heard of the Dover trial?
NOVA | Intelligent Design on Trial
hopefully a geneticist takes the challenge.
Johnny Kilroy
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are you putting words in my mouth? You do realize that all dogs come from WOLVES? We manipulated wild wolves by selectively breeding them for passivity and other desirable traits. That is evolution. I compared it to people claiming evolution is Intelligently driven by some creator. We can make organisms evolve too.
I'm not here to impress your stupid ass.
That's dumb. You prove evolution isn't intelligently designed by intelligently designing something?
Either way that doesn't prove what you say. At all! Please explain how breeding dogs proves there's no intelligent design. Evolution doesn't prove that at all. That's really a stupid thing to say.
And I know you're not here to impress me because your existence would then be futile. All you're doing is proving my point by completely avoiding the most important thing. How does SOMETHING come from NOTHING? I know a sperm and an egg can make a human. You telling me that is nothing. Prove your god skills by making a human without a sperm and an egg because that's what I'm talking about. How did it all get started? It's kind of a rhetorical question because I KNOW you have NO answer for that. But through your pride you're gonna spew some nonsense anyway, totally avoiding my question. It's expected though.
So this FIRST organism was BIRTHED BY ITS MOTHER? Really? That's what you're going with?
I would disagree. I think YOU'RE the one with trouble understanding since you can't answer my question. Don't blame the asker because your answers are lacking. It seems to me you need to study up.
Johnny Kilroy
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I'm not a creationist, dumbass.
But that's what you guys do in HL. Someone asks a question you can't answer so you just generalize and try to put that person in a box instead of actually ANSWERING THE QUESTION.
The truth is you have no fukking clue.
Where did the first organism come from and how did something come from nothing? Answer this question or STFU. No one cares about anything else you have to say. Now... prove my point and not answer the question.
Study up, homie.
Johnny Kilroy
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Exactly. That's what I'm getting at. These guys know this and are trying to avoid it. That's why if you ask them about it they get so defensive. "You're just a stupid creationist"
Evolution doesn't disprove intelligent design at all. And it has some HUGE holes in the theory most importantly how did it all start.
The theory of evolution doesn't claim to describe "how it all started". There are separate theories for that which make sense like Panspermia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaExactly. That's what I'm getting at. These guys know this and are trying to avoid it. That's why if you ask them about it they get so defensive. "You're just a stupid creationist"
Evolution doesn't disprove intelligent design at all. And it has some HUGE holes in the theory most importantly how did it all start.
but then you're just going to say "BUT WHERE DID THE SPORES/BACTERIA COME FROM!!!!"
Just because I don't have the answer to life doesn't disprove anything evolution states. Evolution is as close to fact as anything can be, so if you have problems believing in that then you should probably be questioning whether fire is hot.
It's the same shyt with the Big bang theory. Because scientists don't know where the matter came from, it somehow disproves the big bang theory, which in case you don't know (you probably don't) doesn't have anything to do with where the matter came from.
but who created the creator?
also, there is no evidence to prove that a creator did such things. So why believe that? You can be open to the POSSIBILITY... but to believe that as fact and then question evolution (not specifically you, just saying in general)?
Johnny Kilroy
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Yeah, yeah, yeah... that's all fine and dandy. But can you answer my question? The answer is no, you can't.
You're omitting the most important question of all. You can tell me about this, that and the other but when I ask you how that all came about, you have nothing.
So now I'll ask you another question: How is the concept of God absurd yet the concept of something from nothing perfectly logical to you?
but who created the creator?
also, there is no evidence to prove that a creator did such things. So why believe that? You can be open to the POSSIBILITY... but to believe that as fact and then question evolution (not specifically you, just saying in general)?
That's all I'm saying. NOBODY knows for sure, and the theory that "something" created everything is just as ridiculous as the theory that "nothing" made everything. When someone gives me evidence either way I'll believe them, but in the meantime it's
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Why does the argument with religious folks always devolve into "I'm gonna ask you a question I know is IMPOSSIBLE for you to answer" as if that negates anything about evolution or what I've said...shyt is childish as hell.
I don't believe something came from nothing. I believe we don't know... but as with all mysteries mankind has known, there is always a logical explanation under the mystery.
So, genius, how did everything come about?
Can you answer that? What? You can't? Then nothing you say matters because you can't answer that question. You might as well stop posting.
Ugh. I'm gonna shoot myself if I have to explain this again. Evolution or the Big Bang are NOT theories that "nothing" made everything. I swear to god you fukks have to be scientifically illiterate to say this shyt, and then you'll reply to this and say "oh no no, I know everything about those theories".That's all I'm saying. NOBODY knows for sure, and the theory that "something" created everything is just as ridiculous as the theory that "nothing" made everything. When someone gives me evidence either way I'll believe them, but in the meantime it's
Johnny Kilroy
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Breh, I'm NOT religious. And I'm not doubting evolution. I'm simply asking you a question and instead of admitting you don't know you're just going in circles.
Your theory has holes, breh. Huge holes. And it's important to point this out because you're always calling religious people dumb and irrational and all that. I'm simply pointing out how irrational your theory is too.
I never said they were "theories that nothing made everything" I said that neither theory can give a defenative answer to that question, therefore I won't pretend that I know that answer and tell other people they are wrong. We ALL could be wrong, then what?
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Typical fallacy. The Genesis 'account' hasn't been proven to be fact, so how can it be debunked?
Those theories don't claim or seek out the answer to that question! Why do you expect them to?!
It's like saying you don't believe in gravity because the theory doesn't tell you where everything came from. Neither the theory of gravity or evolution or the big bang's purpose is to answer that question and it has no bearing on the validity of any of those theories.