COVID-19 Pandemic (Coronavirus)

[Sad Bunny]

"Invincible" and "The Boys" breh.

Oh and the Marvel stuff. Although I'm not sure if you're into all that. "Loki" just started like 2 days ago.

Fred.

I finished all those :lawd"

Sweet Tooth was dope too.

My wife told me to watch Mare of East?

 

[CrimsonTider]

What do the no vaccine people do when their job and schools start making it mandatory?

they’re going to take the vaccine like they did every other vaccine

 

[IShotTheSheriff]

It's bizarre how anti vaxxers use exceptions as a device in arguments about covid and vaccines.

On one hand, covid isn't a big deal because 99.7% of people that contract it survive, but if 0.03% of vaccinated people have complications related to being vaccinated, it's a cause for alarm, even if the overwhelming majority of vaccinated people have no complications.

It's lazy

Wanna see a video from the former VP of Phizer?

where are you getting your stats? Do YOU understand this is the first time in history we’re using MRNA injections on the masses? There is a direct reason why people are getting clots and that’s because the body is being told to produce spike proteins to imitate a threat and then attack itself practically. Which has also led to autoimmune disease.

you and I have tangled on here before. Lazy? Nah. I’m reading both sides of the coin. Can you honestly say the same?

The ex-Pfizer scientist who became an anti-vax hero.

check out how they try to smear the former VP of Phizer as if he one day woke up an idiotic anti vaxxer. Strange hey. I mean if I were to take this article at face value lol... nvm man. Do you. But I’ll leave you with this.... the man is NO anti vaxxer. But he’s against this specific trial. He’s not just a scientist LOL he was the VP. Interesting wording. Y’all will learn in another life time maybe. Peace.

 

[BK The Great]

Someone reported me in this page off my posts?

 

[Jx2]

It's the same as heart desease and cancer and people eat, drink and smoke what they want...and those killed way more people.

Have boundless idiocy brehs

 

[IShotTheSheriff]

My post about the ex Vice President of Phizer speaking out and thus being shunned will be vastly overlooked. I’m not one of y’all weirdo pseudo intellectuals.

If y’all wanna sharpen one another and actually have fair, open discussion, holla.

 

[Illuminatos]

Damn this shyt got unstickied.

 

[null]

My heart didn't get inflamed so we good

how could you know .. ?

EDIT: removed

.. one minute you could be running playing sport and the next minute face down in the grass ..

 

[null]

Your odds of dying from COVID are likely much worse.

"dying or damage" BUT not if you are young .. which is the group where these cases are showing up.

"They say UK medical authorities, who are currently studying how vaccines for adolescents might be administered, should move with great care over the implementation of such a programme.

They acknowledge it could help reduce outbreaks and the spread of Covid but also warn it could also raise important practical and ethical problems. Doctors would be giving vaccines for which there was limited information about possible side-effects to children who have nothing to gain from such a move, said Professor Adam Finn of Bristol University.

“Children transmit Covid to some extent, although they rarely suffer badly from the disease themselves. If you offer them vaccines, then you put them at risk of possible side-effects – so there really needs to be some significant, tangible benefit to them, not just the indirect protection of adults from Covid-19.”"

Health experts urge caution on giving Covid vaccines to UK children

 

[winb83]

"dying or damage" BUT not if you are young .. which is the group where these cases are showing up.

"They say UK medical authorities, who are currently studying how vaccines for adolescents might be administered, should move with great care over the implementation of such a programme.

They acknowledge it could help reduce outbreaks and the spread of Covid but also warn it could also raise important practical and ethical problems. Doctors would be giving vaccines for which there was limited information about possible side-effects to children who have nothing to gain from such a move, said Professor Adam Finn of Bristol University.

“Children transmit Covid to some extent, although they rarely suffer badly from the disease themselves. If you offer them vaccines, then you put them at risk of possible side-effects – so there really needs to be some significant, tangible benefit to them, not just the indirect protection of adults from Covid-19.”"

Health experts urge caution on giving Covid vaccines to UK children

COVID itself can cause the same issue. Are we saying we know that someone that got that side effect from the vaccine that causes benign cells with the spike protein wouldn't have gotten that issue from actual COVID and their body fighting off COVID with the spike protein?

 

[null]

COVID itself can cause the same issue. Are we saying we know that someone that got that side effect from the vaccine that causes benign cells with the spike protein wouldn't have gotten that issue from actual COVID and their body fighting off COVID with the spike protein?

are you? you need to rephrase that and no, that is not what I am saying.

and why do you keep mentioning "spike proteins" as if they are causing this?

 

[winb83]

are you? you need to rephrase that and no, that is not what I am saying.

and why do you keep mentioning "spike proteins" as if they are causing this?

Because that's what the MRNA does. Cause the human body to manufacture spiked protein cells that it then treats as hostile and attacks.

These vaccine side effects are actual COVID side effects. Heart inflammation, blood clots, these are also known to be caused by COVID as well so are you suggesting someone that had those side effects from the vaccine that mimics some aspects of COVID wouldn't have a similar outcome from the real deal?

Are you saying people are better off taking their chances on not getting COVID out in the wild?

 

[null]

Because that's what the MRNA does. Cause the human body to manufacture spiked protein cells that it then treats as hostile and attacks.

1.

These vaccine side effects are actual COVID side effects.

do you have proof of that?

smoking causes the same problems because it too affects the lungs and cardio respiratory system, that doesn't mean that the mechanism that causes the observed effect is the same.

the spike protein is the method for entry to a cell but is just a part of the viral payload.

you assume that subset means the full-set will be worse than the "subset", when in fact the full virus may in fact be easier to fight off (for the young) than the vaccine because a broader portion of the immune system will be able to recognise different parts of it.

that was part of the discussion on the merits of narrow spike protein targeting in the vaccines.

dr. campbell is discussed this effect while ago with for example: Polyclonal antibodies - Wikipedia .

2.

Heart inflammation, blood clots, these are also known to be caused by COVID as well so are you suggesting someone that had those side effects from the vaccine that mimics some aspects of COVID wouldn't have a similar outcome from the real deal?

this relies on 1. above.

also as the young do not socially distance in many more circumstances that older people, do not wear masks and haven't been vaccinated any such pattern would have been established by now.

Are you saying people are better off taking their chances on not getting COVID out in the wild?

I am repeating the reported conclusion that the incidence of observed severe damaging covid (in this young thus far) is lower than that observed with the vaccines.

and hence the conclusion that there is no marginal benefit to that specific group of the young directly, to them getting vaccinated.

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i think you are assuming

i. vaccine is less severe for the body to fight off than covid for the young

ii. more or equal young will get damaging side effects from covid than the vaccines

iii. covid symptoms and vaccines symptoms are caused by the same mechanisms.

i don't agree with these assumptions.

 

[winb83]

1.



do you have proof of that?

smoking causes the same problems because it too affects the lungs and cardio respiratory system, that doesn't mean that the mechanism that causes the observed effect is the same.

the spike protein is the method for entry to a cell but is just a part of the viral payload.

you assume that subset means the full-set will be worse than the "subset", when in fact the full virus may in fact be easier to fight off (for the young) than the vaccine because a broader portion of the immune system will be able to recognise different parts of it.

that was part of the discussion on the merits of narrow spike protein targeting in the vaccines.

dr. campbell is discussed this effect while ago with for example: Polyclonal antibodies - Wikipedia .

2.



this relies on 1. above.

also as the young do not socially distance in many more circumstances that older people, do not wear masks and haven't been vaccinated any such pattern would have been established by now.



I am repeating the reported conclusion that the incidence of observed severe damaging covid (in this young thus far) is lower than that observed with the vaccines.

and hence the conclusion that there is no marginal benefit to that specific group of the young directly, to them getting vaccinated.

-

i think you are assuming

i. vaccine is less severe for the body to fight off than covid for the young

ii. more or equal young will get damaging side effects from covid than the vaccines

iii. covid symptoms and vaccines symptoms are caused by the same mechanisms.

i don't agree with these assumptions.

Study: COVID much more likely than vaccines to cause blood clots
Heart Problems after COVID-19
Both heart issues and blood clots are known complications of COVID.

 

[null]

Study: COVID much more likely than vaccines to cause blood clots
Heart Problems after COVID-19
Both heart issues and blood clots are known complications of COVID.

and smoking ..

me: smoking causes the same problems because it too affects the lungs and cardio respiratory system, that doesn't mean that the mechanism that causes the observed effect is the same.

reminds me of the insider:

WIGAND
"Research..."
(smile + scorn)
You declare, as a badge of honor, you
don't even know what makes water boil...

THOMAS SANDEFUR
That's why we hire scientists...

yeah they look the same, but are they? scientists answer questions like that.

or tell me why, yourself.