Country music originated from blacks?

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Never heard of songsters :ohhh:

Right, I mean Leadbelly would play everything, Pete Seeger basically ripped his style and helped spawn the folk wave. And a lot of those work songs date from the 1800s and the ballads from probably even earlier.

"Goodnight Irene" came from Gussie Davis, one of the first black songwriters in the 1880s tinpan alley, which is another nearly forgotten period in musical history.

this song below is a country/bluegrass standard, now presented as "folk" but it's really a pop tune written by a black guy in the 1800s:heh:








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Oh, Dem Golden Slippers

"Oh, Dem Golden Slippers" is a popular song commonly sung by blackface performers in the 19th century. The song, penned by African-American James A. Bland in 1879, is considered an American standard today. It is particularly well known as a bluegrass instrumental standard.

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A minstrel show song set in the style of a spiritual, the song is apparently a parody of the spiritual "Golden Slippers", popularized after the American Civil War by the Fisk Jubilee Singers.[1] Today "Oh, Dem Golden Slippers" is often referred to simply as "Golden Slippers", further obscuring the original spiritual.[2]

The song's first stanza tells of the protagonist setting aside such fine clothes as golden slippers, a long-tailed coat and a white robe for a chariot ride in the morning (presumably to Heaven).

This leads to the refrain: Oh, dem golden slippers! / Oh, dem golden slippers! / Golden slippers I'm gwine to wear, because dey look so neat; / Oh, dem golden slippers! / Oh, dem golden slippers! / Golden slippers Ise gwine to wear, / To walk de golden street.

The second stanza describes the protagonist meeting up with other family members after his chariot ride. In the third, the protagonist tells children to prepare themselves for their own chariot ride.[3]
 
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this song below is a country/bluegrass standard present as "folk" but it's really a pop tune written by a black guy in the 1800s :heh:

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Oh, Dem Golden Slippers
Not to mention the amount of songs :skip: bands like Led Zeppelin and the Rolling Stones ripped off throughout their careers, only to turn around and sue hip-hop producers for sampling their drum breaks. :hhh:



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Never heard of songsters :ohhh:

Right, I mean Leadbelly would play everything, Pete Seeger basically ripped his style and helped spawn the folk wave. And a lot of those work songs date from the 1800s and the ballads from probably even earlier.

"Goodnight Irene" came from Gussie Davis, one of the first black songwriters in the 1880s tinpan alley, which is another nearly forgotten period in musical history.

Stacker Lee (aka Stagger Lee) is another song from the late 1800's or early 1900's. Of course Blues men created the song after an African American named Lee Shelton "Stagger Lee" killed another African American named Billy Lyon; after Billy Lyon disrespected Stagger by taking Stagger's hat. Of course White "folk artists" stole the song.



The Song and Myth of Stagger Lee
 

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Never heard of songsters :ohhh:

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what they sometimes call a "Songster" but there was no distinction by the black musicians themselves between a songster and a bluesman. Technically all of the early Blues guys were songsters. Basically the term was used to try to make a distinction between AfroAmerican folk music than didn't use the 12 bar form and the Blues that did but most pre-war Bluesmen played blues, negro spirituals-hymns, bad man-murder ballads, chain gang songs etc....

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The songster tradition both pre-dated and co-existed with blues music, especially in the areas of the Southeast that produced music in the Piedmont style. It began soon after the end of slavery in the south, when African-American musicians became able to travel and play music for a living. Usually a solo musician with a guitar, or occasionally a banjo, the songster would perform songs from a variety of musical styles including gospel, field songs and folk, and later ragtime and blues. Songsters were performers, first and foremost, and maintained the broad repertoire to appeal to a wide range of audiences. Through vehicles like minstrel and medicine shows, the black songsters interacted with white musicians, who would later adopt the black musicians’ songs and use them, along with songs from white sources, as the foundations of early country music. Songster style is closely associated with styles such as Field Recordings, Folk-Blues, Folksongs, Jug Band, Vaudeville Blues, Work Songs, Pre-War Blues, Pre-War Country Blues

Songster Music Genre Overview | AllMusic

Songsters had a notable influence on blues music, which developed from around the turn of the 20th century. However, there was also a change in song styles. Songsters often sang composed songs or traditional ballads, frequently about legendary heroes or characters such as "Frankie and Johnny" and "Stagger Lee". Blues singers, in contrast, tended to invent their own lyrics (or recycle those of others) and develop their own tunes and guitar (or sometimes piano) playing styles, singing of their own lives and shared emotional experiences.

Many of the earliest recordings of what is now referred to as the blues were made by songsters who commanded a much wider repertoire, often extending to popular Tin Pan Alley songs of the day as well as the "authentic" country blues. There is a growing view among scholars[5] that the distinction made by experts such as Alan Lomax between "deep" blues singers and "songsters" is an artificial one, and that in fact most of the leading archetypal blues artists, including Robert Johnson and Muddy Waters, performed a wide variety of music in public, but recorded only that proportion of their material which was seen by their producers as original or innovative.
 

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We created everything you hear except for that classical and opera bullshyt

Whoa there pardner :mjpls:

First off, classical music is dope and we invented that too.

Most classical instruments have AfroAsiatic names.

The African Origin of the Modern Musical Instruments: From the Fiddle to the Guitarro | Rasta Livewire

Andalusian classical music - Wikipedia

Even Classical String Music was inspired by the Moors who brought the first iterations of guitars up to Spain


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I believe so, based on what's already been posted.. Coincidentally the older generation(grandparents age) of African and Caribbean people were into country music. Men due to the instraments. The women due to the simpish lyrics of the music. Even today I think it's the most simpish music of the modern times. Alot of the old folks had alot of country vinyl in their album collections.

I heard it was semi popular among alot of old time AA southerners. An old timer even told me Lionel Richie made a country album. How true is this?
 

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I believe so, based on what's already been posted.. Coincidentally the older generation(grandparents age) of African and Caribbean people were into country music. Men due to the instraments. The women due to the simpish lyrics of the music. Even today I think it's the most simpish music of the modern times. Alot of the old folks had alot of country vinyl in their album collections.

I heard it was semi popular among alot of old time AA southerners. An old timer even told me Lionel Richie made a country album. How true is this?

I don't know about Lionel Ritchie making a Country music album, but it is pretty clear that he was singing Country music.


Other guys that were clearly singing Country music were Bill Withers, and;


Joe Simon


Other people that were clearly singing Country music were Elizabeth Cotton, Etta Baker and Sonny Terry and Brownie McGhee; but it was labeled as Folk Music or Piedmonte Blues because they were Black.

Anyway Ray Charles and Joe Simon actually put out Country albums.

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As a Guitar player myself.. this is so awesome

So much culture and talent. I need to pick up these books that have been cited in the thread
 

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that new Ken Burns PBS Country music docu touches on the topic a little




S1 E1: “The Rub” (Beginnings – 1933) | Country Music


Black Artists Built Country Music—And Then It Left Them Behind

But as hillbilly music became a commercial product in the 1920s, record labels began dividing their releases into “hillbilly records” and “race records,” under the presumption that consumers bought music according to their race. Many of the black performers on hillbilly records went uncredited or were even scrubbed from marketing images in favor of white stand-ins. The genre was quickly positioned as an authentic return to the music of the idyllic rural white Mountain South, in direct opposition to the black “modern dance music” of the era.

This marketing ploy meant that many black artists were pushed to the margins of country music, even if they remained influential behind the scenes. Lesley Riddle, a black guitar player, helped A.P. Carter of the Carter Family hone his repertoire of mountain songs and greatly influenced the fingerpicking guitar style of Maybelle Carter, who is considered one of the most influential guitarists of all time. Rufus “Tee Tot” Payne mentored a young Hank Williams; Gus Cannon taught a young Johnny Cash. Bill Monroe, called “The Father of Bluegrass,” talked of his indebtedness to the guitarist Arnold Schultz. But all of those black artists would be vastly eclipsed by their mentees.

And the one black star of country music’s first era, DeFord Bailey, was likewise treated with an ambivalence that sometimes bled into contempt. The harmonica player, who was the grandson of a slave, became the most frequent performer on the Nashville radio station WSM’s Barn Dance, with his virtuosic renditions of “Pan American Blues” and “The Fox Chase” riling up audiences across the south. In 1927, one of his performances even provided the backdrop for the genesis of the Grand Ole Opry, the radio program that became country music’s central institution, with Bailey one of its pioneer members.

Burns hopes that Lil Nas and other rising black stars like Kane Brown, Blanco Brown and Jimmie Allen will help return the country genre to its diverse roots, and to a time before an early promise of integration was eclipsed by commercial interests. “You can’t conceive of this music existing without this African-American infusion,” the historian Bill C. Malone says in Country Music. “But as the music developed professionally, too often African-American musicians were forgotten.”

https://time.com/5673476/ken-burns-country-music-black-artists/
 

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that new Ken Burns PBS Country music docu touches on the topic a little




S1 E1: “The Rub” (Beginnings – 1933) | Country Music


Black Artists Built Country Music—And Then It Left Them Behind



https://time.com/5673476/ken-burns-country-music-black-artists/


Starting at 3:45 he goes into it even more and points out African Americans contributions to Country music. He even mentions AP Carter, Johnny Cash, Bill Monroe and Hank Williams having African American mentors.




To anybody that doesn't know the true contributions of African Americans to American history then you don't know shyt and you ought to shut the fugg up, because there is almost no part of American history that will not have African Americans as major contributors. We know this despite the fact that White people have tried to write African Americans out of American history.
 

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Starting at 3:45 he goes into it even more and points out African Americans contributions to Country music. He even mentions AP Carter, Johnny Cash, Bill Monroe and Hank Williams having African American mentors.




To anybody that doesn't know the true contributions of African Americans to American history then you don't know shyt and you ought to shut the fugg up, because there is almost no part of American history that will not have African Americans as major contributors. We know this despite the fact that White people have tried to write African Americans out of American history.


#foundational americans:salute:


even what's thought of as the whitest representation of white american culture couldn't escape the black influence:banderas:
 

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#foundational americans:salute:


even what's thought of as the whitest representation of white american culture couldn't escape the black influence:banderas:

I was always advised that music told of the level of culture that a group of people had. Well if that is the case then no group in America is more cultured than African Americans.

The thing that always surprised me the most about African Americans is the number of inventions that they have actually created, which most people know absolutely nothing about. Eli Whitney gets credit for the cotton gin, but it is pretty clear that his slave Sam Whitney and Sam Whitney's father were the actual inventor of the device.
Ask Clay: Eli Whitney's cotton gin owes a lot to Sam and his father

A Black man named Jo Anderson invented the reaper, which Robert McCormack was eventually give credit for. Robert McCormack's son Cyrus is the founder of International Harvester, which mass produced Jo Anderson's invention.
https://www.richmond.com/special-se...cle_277b0072-700a-11e2-bb3d-001a4bcf6878.html

A Black woman named Alice Parker created the home heating system.
Meet Inventor Alice Parker: The Woman Behind Central Heating | BlackDoctor
Alice H. Parker: African American Inventor Of A Gas Heating Furnace

African Americans created the gas mask, refrigerator, elevator, automatic drip pan which gave rise to automobiles, etc., etc., etc., but for some reason (no doubt racism) they have been written out of actual American history.
 

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I was always advised that music told of the level of culture that a group of people had. Well if that is the case then no group in America is more cultured than African Americans.

The thing that always surprised me the most about African Americans is the number of inventions that they have actually created, which most people know absolutely nothing about. Eli Whitney gets credit for the cotton gin, but it is pretty clear that his slave Sam Whitney and Sam Whitney's father were the actual inventor of the device.
Ask Clay: Eli Whitney's cotton gin owes a lot to Sam and his father

A Black man named Jo Anderson invented the reaper, which Robert McCormack was eventually give credit for. Robert McCormack's son Cyrus is the founder of International Harvester, which mass produced Jo Anderson's invention.
https://www.richmond.com/special-se...cle_277b0072-700a-11e2-bb3d-001a4bcf6878.html

A Black woman named Alice Parker created the home heating system.
Meet Inventor Alice Parker: The Woman Behind Central Heating | BlackDoctor
Alice H. Parker: African American Inventor Of A Gas Heating Furnace

African Americans created the gas mask, refrigerator, elevator, automatic drip pan which gave rise to automobiles, etc., etc., etc., but for some reason (no doubt racism) they have been written out of actual American history.

afram influence across the board in America is so old and ubiquitous, alot of it is taken as white/european in origin until someone brings out those receipts
 
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