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It came down to the last few possessions of the game (it could've gone either way). The Cavs role players outplayed the Thunder's. Tristan killed them on the boards and ultimately was the difference maker. Which again taking nothing away from LeBron because he was second best player in the game (Westbrook being the best).

That's a false narrative from the game. Look at the game log. Tristan's 11 offensive rebounds only led to second-chance points for Miami twice....exactly once more than Lebron's own second-chance boards did.

Westbrook won his matchup with Delly, by a mile. But that was given. None of the role players on either side did anything unusual, other than TT's 11 offensive boards which led to little. If the game wasn't won on Westbrook completely going off or some role player having a huge game on his own right (neither of which happened), it was going to be won on whether Durant or Lebron had a better all-around game for his team. And Lebron did a better job in all aspects of both elevating his team and outplaying Durant 1-on-1.

Those 11 assists meant something, when you consider who he was passing to.



What is your point? Where do you see me arguing that Durant is a better all-around player than LeBron has proven over his career?

Yeah now you're nonsensical. Take off your LeBron stan outfit and replace it with something that grown folks would wear. When I say "But he didn't have the same disadvantages against Durant - which is what this discussion is about." - I mean if their career paths were reversed their H2H record would be much different.

I though this thread was about making fun of Kevin Durant. :yeshrug:
 
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That's a false narrative from the game. Look at the game log. Tristan's 11 offensive rebounds only led to second-chance points for Miami twice....exactly once more than Lebron's own second-chance boards did.
I actually watched the game. Tristan was the difference - he scored 14 points on 7-10 shooting (second most on the Cavs), played sound defense helping out all over the court and was a pest on the boards - even though those extra possessions from his rebounds didn't always result in points - he tired the Thunder defense out, as it was just another successive possession the Thunder had to play on defense.
Westbrook won his matchup with Delly, by a mile. But that was given. None of the role players on either side did anything unusual, other than TT's 11 offensive boards which led to little. If the game wasn't won on Westbrook completely going off or some role player having a huge game on his own right (neither of which happened), it was going to be won on whether Durant or Lebron had a better all-around game for his team. And Lebron did a better job in all aspects of both elevating his team and outplaying Durant 1-on-1.
Again, I'm not arguing this - I watched the game - I've already stated that Westbrook followed by LeBron were the two best players in that game. What are you trying to prove here? OKC's bench didn't do shyt all game. Waiters was absolutely horrible and killed momentum with his missed open shots - the game could've taken a turn in the Thunder's favor if he played half decent - but he didn't.
I though this thread was about making fun of Kevin Durant. :yeshrug:
If you wanna troll that's cool, but don't add me to the mix. I just offered some common sense on the first page to those who wanted to listen. :manny:
 

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To be fair to Durant he's basically four years younger, and LeBron has pretty much always had the better supporting cast. Nobody can say he hasn't matched been able to match LeBron's production when they go H2H -

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KD had a great scoring performance in the finals but he kinda got exposed that series, which led to him becoming a better ballhandler and playmaker. Outside of scoring he was completely invisible. I hate the phrase "empty points" but it really did seem like he was just putting points on the board without impacting the game. He had a couple of piss-poor rebounding performances, was a liability on defense (they put him on Chalmers to stop the bleeding and Chalmers preceded to have the game of his life :mjlol:) couldn't distribute at all, and was invisible in the 4th quarter after the first two games as a result.
 

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Man why do you guys let TheNig suck you into these dumbass arguments? he admitted like 6 months ago that he doesn't even attempt to be rational or listen to reason in LeBron discussions. His word is absolutely worthless.
 

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From ESPN:

The Elias Sports Bureau notes James has outscored every player he’s gone head-to-head against at least 10 times (391 different players).
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Also, Lebron apparently just passed Jordan and Drexler in career rebounds in this game. He'll hit the top-100 all-time before the season is over, should pass Larry Bird and reach top-50 all-time before it's all said-and-done.

Tried to find the highest comparable player...and Elgin Baylor was eating well in his first few seasons in the late 50s/early 60s. Finished #25 all-time and Lebron ain't reaching that unless he plays till he's 40. Highest modern swingman is Shawn Marion at #36 - I didn't remember that he was averaging 10 boards/season for an 8-year stretch, and playing 16 seasons helped. Lebron's only passing him if he keeps playing starter minutes up for another 400-500 games.
 
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KD had a great scoring performance in the finals but he kinda got exposed that series, which led to him becoming a better ballhandler and playmaker.
He didn't get exposed that series.

He averaged 30 ppg on 54%
LeBron averaged 28 ppg on 47%

It wasn't as if he could've handled the ball more - Westbrook initiates the offense and Harden the secondary playmaker. If anyone was exposed that series it was Harden - he averaged 18 ppg on 49% shooting in the WCF and backed that up with a pathetic showing in the Finals - 12 ppg on 37% shooting. If he produced like he did against the Spurs, the Thunder would've not only won more games in the Finals but they would've had a realistic chance of beating Miami.
Outside of scoring he was completely invisible. I hate the phrase "empty points" but it really did seem like he was just putting points on the board without impacting the game.
This is nonsense.
He had a couple of piss-poor rebounding performances, was a liability on defense (they put him on Chalmers to stop the bleeding and Chalmers preceded to have the game of his life :mjlol:) couldn't distribute at all, and was invisible in the 4th quarter after the first two games as a result.
You ain't gotta lie to kick it.

Chalmers scored ONE bucket on Durant - which was the result of Westbrook missing his defensive assignment and Durant had to navigate around a few players and sprint to Chalmers' spot on the floor. Chalmers scored most of his points on Westbrook (who tried to double other players too often, wasn't paying attention to where Chalmers was on the court and let him drive into the lane too often), he scored while be guarded by Thabo, Collison, Harden and Fisher too. Make no mistake about it - he only scored ONE field goal against Durant, which again was no fault of his own.

Durant held his own defensively in that series - especially since this was his first deep playoff run, first Finals appearance and he had to guard the best player in the world. As I said above, Harden and Westbrook (more so the latter) took control of the ball and controlled the offense - there wasn't much Durant could do. They had a poor coach, and neither Westbrook or Harden could play off the ball for lengthy periods of time. Durant had about the maximum time of possession that was allowed, due to the fact he had TWO other ball-dominant players on his team. They had to split possessions between the three of them, evenly - in accordance to their roles and skillsets.

The thing that bugs me is, I'm not trying to say that Durant was the better player during their matchups or is the better all-around player, in general. Like you, @The Dankster, @IllmaticDelta, @smitty22 and @HoopLife seem to think that I am. I'm just giving more context to the lopsided H2H record - LeBron hasn't performed better than him in every single one of those wins. He's had the benefit of being four years older, better/more accomplished/in their prime teammates, better team environment for a large amount of their contests. Again taking nothing away from LeBron - as he did have a greater impact on a large majority of the games (and has proven to be the better all-around player) - but basketball isn't a 1v1 sport, there's many other things that need to be weighed into the equation. As shown below, it's not as if Durant didn't play to the best of his abilities or didn't match LeBron in standard stats (besides assists - which is due to Westbrook controlling the ball most of the time) -

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Their H2H record has never been just as simple as 'LeBron outplays Durant every single time' - one should never belittle Durant's performances as if LeBron has just walked all over him every time they play against each other. Because that's been far from the case.
 
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