Could we talk how Bron owns KD
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He owns KD and Kobe, head to head...
Stop right there... Dont bring Kobe in this if I can't bring up Steph taxin' that ass in the Finals.
Not one player in the history of the league would have been able to beat that Warriors team with both Kyrie and Love out and Mosgov as his 2nd best player. Not Jordan, not Kobe, nobody. And when you add in JR shyt and Shrumpert's atrocious performances it becomes even more clear that there was only so much Bron could do. I'm not a huge Bron fan but it is absolutely unfair to hold this last finals against LeBron.
Exactly.
I was rooting for the Warriors (my breh Festus) but come on brehs... that Cavs team was decimated
He's literally dismissing valid pointsThe game isn't close withoutsetting Ibaka up, just like the Thunder win that game if Bron only has 2 assists.
Why can't you just admit Bron got The Servant's number right now?
Man... I don't want to hear that mess. He LeBron. He the best player in the world. He should have done more. They lost and it's his fault.
To be fair to Durant he's basically four years younger, and LeBron has pretty much always had the better supporting cast. Nobody can say he hasn't matched been able to match LeBron's production when they go H2H -
Uh, why have you highlighed nothing but scoring?
There's that litlte assist number in there, where Lebron is doubling Durants assists AND with fewer turnovers. Lebron's putting in more rebounds, more steals, even on blocks, and fewer fouls too.
And 16-4 is a pretty dominant number, especially when the main chunk of those games was when Durant had Westbrook-Harden-Ibaka alongside him.
So 25-3-5 on 42% shooting is better than 33-9-11 on 45% shooting???
Lebron had 9 points and 5 assists in the 4th to come from behind for the win. Most of that time he was playing alongside TT-Delly-Cunningham-Jefferson. It takes a special kind of player to rack up assists with that lineup.
Cleveland only scored off of 2 of Tristan Thompson's 11 offensive rebounds. Several times TT just put up a crap shot (or missed free throws) after getting the board. More often he immediately passed it out to someone who then immediately missed the shot. TT's rebounds weren't the reason they won.
In fact, Lebron scored off of 1 of his 2 offensive rebounds. So TT accounted for exactly ONE more 2nd-chance FG than Lebron did.
"Durant and Lebron were both non factors."
Cleveland only had 7 more offensive rebounds than the Thunder. Half the reason that Cleveland had 14 more shot attempts was because the Thunder shot 28 free throws to only 13 for the Cavs.
Regular season: Lebron 25-6-8 on 45% shooting, Kawhi 15-8-3 on 44% shooting. Games split 2-2
Playoffs: Lebron 27-10-6 on 50% shooting. Kawhi 16-9-1 on 55% shooting. Kawhi leads 7-5, one title each, one Finals MVP each.
Don't see "kawhi owns lebron" in there. Team results are even, Lebron's individual performance is twice as good. There's no play where Lebron somehow simultaneously stops Parker/Leonard/Green/Ginobli/Duncan from getting open on every play and hitting 60% of their shots and 50% of their threes for the whole series.
And Steph owns LeBron.
Regular season: Lebron 33-7-8 on 55% shooting, Steph 20-4-7 on 51% shooting. Lebron leads 5 games to 2.
Playoffs: Lebron 36-13-9 on 40% shooting, Steph 26-5-6 on 44% shooting. Steph has games 4 to 2 and a title, Lebron has Finals MVP votes 4 to 0.
Yeah, not really seeing "Steph owns Lebron" there either.
Lebron's won more games, far better numbers In the Finals, there was just the little issue of coming to war with Klay/Green/Iggy/Barnes versus coming to war with JR/TT/Shump/Delly.
So NBA basketball is suddenly a game where the best player wins the ring every year, no matter how bad their starting lineup was? His three guards were shooting 30% each and his best big man is so bad at offense that the team doesn't even run plays for him. Sorry, but it's a five-person game, and no one can do it alone even if they are the best player in the world, as you admit.
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Who won tho?
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I only highlighted the points because Durant has this player named Russell Westbrook on his team - I don't know if you've heard of him or not but he initiates the offense, and Durant is typically the secondary playmaker. He has less posession time of ball in-hand compared to LeBron who can look to set up players more. Something which shouldn't be held against Durant since this is out of his control.
To be honest in this context, all of these things don't really speak on what impact they have on the game. And I mean apart from LeBron's rebounding percentage in the Finals - they're pretty much near-equal in rebounds (regular season), steals and blocks. Those surface stats aren't really going to tell you what they've done on defense. Since they both typically guard each other, and they average basically the same points on similar percentages. It isn't as if Durant's lack of production has been the reason why his team usually loses to LeBron.
And this is all considering LeBron has had the advantage of being four years older. The H2H record would be different if their career-starts were identical.
Durant lost his first six straight games from 2008-2011 when not only Seattle/OKC went from one of the worst teams in the league (two seasons straight winning less than 30 games) to finding their feet as a 4th seed in 2011 - but this was the same time when LeBron was basically in his prime (first game against Durant) on one of the best teams in the league. Westbrook wasn't even a top PG during these years. Harden hadn't been drafted yet, and when he was he only grew into a important piece in his last season in OKC (2011/2012) - which by that time Durant and LeBron had already played six games.
I'm not going to continue to go on about their situations since you get the general picture. But that 16-4 record LeBron has over Durant would be A LOT different if Durant was drafted four years prior and LeBron had to go through similar struggles/progression that Durant and his team did.
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