Coronavirus Thread: Worldwide Pandemic

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i agree with that :yeshrug:

im not sure how that would have saved actual businesses though. or revenue for these towns and states
The government’s job isn’t to save businesses. It’s to foster an environment to allow businesses to thrive.

A mom and pop store can be given money to remodel into a more Corona safe establishment. Help them by equipment that will make sterilization or body temp monitors.

Just throwing money at a buffet restaurant that won’t have more than 25% capacity and close anyway. Seems pointless to me.
 

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i agree with that :yeshrug:

im not sure how that would have saved actual businesses though. or revenue for these towns and states
If we actually had trace testing instead of this bullshyt the Admin pulled when they tried to supress numbers this shyt could of ended quicker. If Kushner isn't in fcking jail for his bullshyt:hhh:
man was the main downplayer at the whitehouse
 

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What do y'all think of sweden's strategy? Or is it better to judge their strategy in time? I mean they have taken steps to curb it but the degree to which they did is what differs
 

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Wait a week prob. Singapore had similar strategy irc but they had a second spike quickly.
I feel like if they had more widespread testing like Korea and Iceland did then I guess it would be better. Those countries also did that early on and aggressively. And I don't think a lot of people would accept the tracking methods korea and taiwan used
 

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I feel like if they had more widespread testing like Korea and Iceland did then I guess it would be better. Those countries also did that early on and aggressively. And I don't think a lot of people would accept the tracking methods korea and taiwan used
With how bad the spread is in random places in the supply chain(Fat amount of infections in meat packing plants) we need take extraordinary measures imo.
 

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What do y'all think of sweden's strategy? Or is it better to judge their strategy in time? I mean they have taken steps to curb it but the degree to which they did is what differs

The numbers are bad already and will probably get worse. When there's data that suggests they actually didn't cause significantly more harm (more than doubling their neighboring countries) then we can take a deeper look. But for now, it's just being hyped to defend rushed reopening which we've already seen doesn't work in Singapore and Hokkaido. Let them provide evidence it works before we entertain it.
 

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that's the WHO saying sweden is doing it right tho :dahell:

do we only listen to them when trump is threatening to defund them? :dead:
they are saying sweden is the model if you want no lockdowns and are willing to accept a certain death percentage. that's the best way to go about that strategy if it's acceptable to you as a nation.
 
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It’s more like running water through a clogged pipe.

New York, with a diverse economy, would be okay as long as they take precautions but a state like Florida which is tourism dependent is just exposing itself to worse economic conditions when people can’t fill bars, tourist sites, cruises.

I mean Disney on built those large parks to accommodate more tourists. It’s not really meant to downsize if necessary.

the problem is that it's pretty apparent that these governments cant afford to keep shyt closed either :yeshrug: another month of this shyt and we're gonna see bankrupting and defaults left and right. i posted that the mayor of nashville is talking about raising property taxes by 32%. i don't think that's an anomaly :huhldup:
Companies in China are required to provide proof they could provide protection to their workers before they are allowed to resume operation. If their workers get infected during work they get penalized by government.

 

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wsj.com
WSJ News Exclusive | U.S. Probes University oaf Texas Links to Chinese Lab Scrutinized Over Coronavirus
Kate O’Keeffe

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The Education Department has asked the University of Texas System to provide documentation of its dealings with the Chinese laboratory U.S. officials are investigating as a potential source of the coronavirus pandemic.


The request for records of gifts or contracts from the Wuhan Institute of Virology and its researcher Shi Zhengli, known for her work on bats, is part of a broader department investigation into possible faulty financial disclosures of foreign money by the Texas group of universities.

The Education Department’s letter, reviewed by The Wall Street Journal, also asks the UT System to share documents regarding potential ties to the ruling Chinese Communist Party and some two dozen Chinese universities and companies, including Huawei Technologies Co. and a unit of China National Petroleum Corp.


The department is also seeking documents related to any university system contracts or gifts from Eric Yuan, a U.S. citizen who is the chief executive officer of Zoom Video Communications Inc.


An official at the University of Texas System said it plans to respond to the department in a timely manner and declined to provide information about any potential links to the entities mentioned in the letter.


Huawei and CNPC didn’t respond to requests for comment. A spokesperson for Zoom said Mr. Yuan has “not given any gifts to the University of Texas.”


Neither the Wuhan lab nor Dr. Shi—dubbed “Bat Woman” by Chinese media—responded to requests for comment.

The Wuhan lab has come under scrutiny from U.S. officials who accuse Beijing of withholding information about the origins of the outbreak, which was first detected in Wuhan.


Dr. Shi and the Chinese government have said the lab isn’t the source of the pandemic. There is no concrete public evidence to confirm the theory that the outbreak resulted from an accident at the lab, which studied ways to prevent the spread of infectious diseases.


Some scientists say a lab accident remains a possibility, but the current dominant theory is that bats passed the virus to humans either directly, or more likely, through another animal.


The Education Department’s investigation into the UT System’s disclosures is part of a continuing national review begun in 2019 that the department says has prompted universities to report more than $6.5 billion in previously undisclosed foreign funding. Officials have sent letters to at least eight other schools, including Harvard and Yale Universities, who have said they are responding to the inquiries.

Universities are required to disclose to the Education Department all contracts and gifts from a foreign source that, alone or combined, are worth $250,000 or more in a calendar year. Though the statute is decades old, the department only recently began to enforce it rigorously.

The Education Department has accused schools of actively soliciting money from foreign governments, companies and nationals hostile to the U.S. One goal of the new enforcement campaign, according to department officials, is to better enable the public to see where schools get their money.

U.S. universities have defended their international collaborations and said the Education Department’s reporting requirements remain unclear. Department officials dispute that claim.

In its letter dated April 24, the department asked the chancellor of the University of Texas System to provide records related to its dealings with the Wuhan lab, citing UT’s Galveston National Laboratory’s relationship with the Chinese government-run lab.


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The Education Department asked for records related to dealings between the Wuhan lab and UT’s Galveston National Laboratory, located on the campus of the University of Texas Medical Branch.
Photo: Kevin M. Cox/Associated Press


The letter cites a November 2018 article in Science magazine cosigned by officials at the Galveston and Wuhan labs stating: “We engaged in short- and long-term personnel exchanges focused on biosafety training, building operations and maintenance, and collaborative scientific investigations in biocontainment. We succeeded in transferring proven best practices to the new Wuhan facility.”


The magazine article, also available on the Galveston lab’s site, adds that the Wuhan and Texas labs recently signed formal cooperative agreements but that “funding for research and the logistics of exchanging specimens are challenges that we have yet to solve.”


The university system previously reported to Education Department officials a series of contracts with Chinese universities and Huawei, purportedly collectively worth nearly $13 million, according to the letter. But it questioned whether the UT schools had reported all relevant foreign gifts and contracts.



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The Education Department is seeking documents related to any University of Texas System contracts or gifts from Eric Yuan, chief executive officer of Zoom, pictured in April 2019.
Photo: Michael Nagle/Bloomberg News
The request for information about the American chief executive of U.S. videoconferencing firm Zoom stands out on a list of otherwise Chinese entities.

The department has said its statutory authority enables it to seek information on gifts or contracts from any entity, including a U.S. person, who could be acting as an agent of a foreign source. Department officials believe the broad statute provides the basis for many lines of inquiry at universities, according to a person familiar with the department’s thinking.

U.S. national security officials and independent cybersecurity researchers have raised concerns about Zoom and its reliance on China-based engineering, especially as more people turn to the service amid the pandemic to discuss company and government business as well as private health information.

Mr. Yuan has said the Chinese government has never asked for information on traffic from foreign users. “Zoom is no different than any other U.S. technology company with operations in China, including many of our videoconferencing peers,“ the company said in a statement. “Zoom is an American company, publicly traded on the Nasdaq, with headquarters in California and a founder and CEO who is an American citizen,” the statement said, adding that his inclusion in a letter focused on UT’s ties to China indicates the letter’s authors “did not do their homework.”



The Education Department’s scrutiny of money that could have flowed from the China-based lab to the U.S. comes after other U.S. officials criticized money that went in the opposite direction. In an April 21 letter to House and Senate leadership, members of Congress led by Sen. Martha McSally (R., Ariz.) and Rep. Matt Gaetz (R., Fla.) criticized a grant by the National Institutes of Health that supported global research on coronaviruses, including at the Wuhan lab.

“We’re sure you agree that taxpayers’ money should not be sent to a dangerous Chinese state-run bio-agent laboratory that lacks any meaningful oversight from U.S. authorities,” the members wrote. “We hope to ensure that WIV will not receive federal funds in any future spending packages,” they wrote.

Less than a week later, EcoHealth Alliance Inc., a New York-based grantee working on the project with the Wuhan lab, said the NIH had terminated coronavirus research funding.

“International collaboration with countries where viruses emerge is absolutely vital to our own public health and national security here in the USA,” the group said in a statement, declining to comment further.


The NIH confirmed in a statement that the six-year, $3.4 million grant had been terminated. It said the money was distributed among both the primary awardee, EcoHealth Alliance, and sub-awardees including the Wuhan Institute of Virology, East China Normal University in Shanghai, the Institute of Pathogen Biology in Beijing, and Duke-NUS Medical School in Singapore.


The NIH added: “Please note, scientific research indicates that there is no evidence that suggests the virus was created in a laboratory.”
 

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The numbers are bad already and will probably get worse. When there's data that suggests they actually didn't cause significantly more harm (more than doubling their neighboring countries) then we can take a deeper look. But for now, it's just being hyped to defend rushed reopening which we've already seen doesn't work in Singapore and Hokkaido. Let them provide evidence it works before we entertain it.
Yeah and the herd immunity thing they are likely banking on for long term..........how long will that immunity even last IF it is even established that herd immunity will work for the time being? And it looks like they haven't reached the 60% required for that :francis:
Imma need more from em for that
 

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The numbers are bad already and will probably get worse. When there's data that suggests they actually didn't cause significantly more harm (more than doubling their neighboring countries) then we can take a deeper look. But for now, it's just being hyped to defend rushed reopening which we've already seen doesn't work in Singapore and Hokkaido. Let them provide evidence it works before we entertain it.

If you want a lot of minorities/essential workers to die then you should support it.

That's what I'm taking away from the numbers
 

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If you want a lot of minorities/essential workers to die then you should support it.

That's what I'm taking away from the numbers
Yeah because I see the articles on the WHO lauding Sweden but I think they also take into consideration how the society differs from say the USA such as population density, single house holds etc. And they are still taking measures as well. Economy still being hit.... but I think USA being hit harder than anywhere else in the world right now to be honest.
 
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