Coronavirus Thread: Worldwide Pandemic
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88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
A lot of innocent people die though.
People still have to go out to get shopping and essentials. Having a group of people opening flouting social distancing rules just places them at an eventual greater risk of infection.
So it's not as easy as saying, and assuming these idiots will be the only ones affected.
@Pressure and I are opening a funeral home
well if you just go out to the grocery store, and maintain social distancing, you're not in any more danger than you are now
and the fact is that we can't force people to stay inside and keep their businesses closed for more than a couple months. it's just not gonna fly. we cant keep printing the money, and no one wants to do that shyt long term. so unless your proposal is starting a Dr Fauci army and keeping people inside at gunpoint, im at a loss for how we would move forward
See, that's not true, and people need to get past that assumption, it's wrong.
Also you aren't free staying inside. People have to go out for essentials. You owe it to the person coming behind you to make sure you didn't create an atmosphere where contamination is high.
You keep going back to forcing people to stay inside and printing money like a broken record, even though it has been discussed at length. Even you had solutions to the printing money issue. At the end of the day maybe America has its head so far up its own ass, it doesn't recognise what it means to look after your neighbour anymore.
A doctor says he was removed after pressing for rigorous vetting of treatments embraced by Trump.
A doctor says he was removed from his federal post after pressing for rigorous vetting of treatments embraced by Trump.
The doctor who led the federal agency involved in developing a coronavirus vaccine said on Wednesday that he was removed from his post after he pressed for a rigorous vetting of a coronavirus treatment embraced by President Trump. The doctor said that science, not “politics and cronyism,” must lead the way.
Dr. Rick Bright was abruptly dismissed this week as the director of the Department of Health and Human Services’ Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority, or BARDA, and as the deputy assistant secretary for preparedness and response.
Instead, he was given a narrower job at the National Institutes of Health. “I believe this transfer was in response to my insistence that the government invest the billions of dollars allocated by Congress to address the Covid-19 pandemic into safe and scientifically vetted solutions, and not in drugs, vaccines and other technologies that lack scientific merit,” he said in a statement to The New York Times’s Maggie Haberman.
“I am speaking out because to combat this deadly virus, science — not politics or cronyism — has to lead the way,” he said.
The White House declined to comment. A spokeswoman for Alex Azar, the health and human services secretary, did not immediately respond to an email seeking comment. The medical publication Stat reported on Tuesday that Dr. Bright had clashed with Bob Kadlec, the assistant health secretary for preparedness and response.
Dr. Bright, who noted that his entire career had been spent in vaccine development both in and outside of government, has led BARDA since 2016.
In the statement, he said: “My professional background has prepared me for a moment like this — to confront and defeat a deadly virus that threatens Americans and people around the globe. To this point, I have led the government’s efforts to invest in the best science available to combat the Covid-19 pandemic.
“Unfortunately, this resulted in clashes with H.H.S. political leadership, including criticism for my proactive efforts to invest early into vaccines and supplies critical to saving American lives,” he said. “I also resisted efforts to fund potentially dangerous drugs promoted by those with political connections.”
Dr. Bright, who is a career official, pointed specifically to the initial efforts to make chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine widely available before it was scientifically tested for efficacy with the coronavirus.
“Specifically, and contrary to misguided directives, I limited the broad use of chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine, promoted by the administration as a panacea, but which clearly lack scientific merit,” he said.
“While I am prepared to look at all options and to think ‘outside the box’ for effective treatments, I rightly resisted efforts to provide an unproven drug on demand to the American public,” Dr. Bright said, describing what ultimately happened. “I insisted that these drugs be provided only to hospitalized patients with confirmed Covid-19 while under the supervision of a physician.
“These drugs have potentially serious risks associated with them, including increased mortality observed in some recent studies in patients with Covid-19.
“Sidelining me in the middle of this pandemic and placing politics and cronyism ahead of science puts lives at risk and stunts national efforts to safely and effectively address this urgent public health crisis,” Dr. Bright said.
“I will request that the inspector general of the Department of Health and Human Services investigate the manner in which this administration has politicized the work of BARDA and has pressured me and other conscientious scientists to fund companies with political connections and efforts that lack scientific merit,” he said. “Rushing blindly towards unproven drugs can be disastrous and result in countless more deaths. Science, in service to the health and safety of the American people, must always trump politics.”
Dr. Bright has hired the lawyers Debra Katz and Lisa Banks, who have a whistle-blower practice and are known in part for representing Christine Blasey Ford, who, during the nomination process of Justice Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court, accused him of engaging in sexual misconduct decades earlier, a claim he denied.
In a statement, the lawyers called Dr. Bright’s change in position “retaliation plain and simple,” and said that they planned to ask the Office of Special Counsel to seek a stay of his termination from the position and that he eventually be restored to it after investigations.
On Tuesday, a panel of experts convened by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, the federal agency led by Dr. Anthony Fauci, issued guidelines stating that experts had collected insufficient data to recommend either for or against the use of any antiviral drug or medication that affects the immune system in patients with Covid-19.
The panel did specifically advise against several treatments unless they were given in clinical trials. One was the combination of hydroxychloroquine and the antibiotic azithromycin, which Mr. Trump has repeatedly promoted despite the lack of evidence that they work. Those drugs should be used only in clinical trials “because of the potential for toxicities,” the experts said.
The panel also had cautionary advice about hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine, even when given without azithromycin, saying that patients receiving them should be monitored for adverse effects, particularly an abnormality in heart rhythm.
There was a time I would have chuckled at this, now it's just
i love the people that go to the barbershops, and the spas
Now people are gonna gather to watch the fukking Blue Angels 
I'm sure most healthcare workers would rather help people in the hospitals or catch up on sleep than watch the fukking Blue Angels
I'm sure most healthcare workers would rather help people in the hospitals or catch up on sleep than watch the fukking Blue Angels
88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
Now people are gonna gather to watch the fukking Blue Angels
I'm sure most healthcare workers would rather help people in the hospitals or catch up on sleep than watch the fukking Blue Angels
lol oh word?
88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
the cac mamba
Veteran
terrible post
your feelgood bullshyt isn't solving any of the real world problems that are facing our economy. this isnt some fukkin lala land where the government can cut everyone a check for a million dollars to stay inside until 2025. because if it was, then we would do that, wouldnt we?how is britain addressing this, and what lessons can britain give us?
KillbertArenas
Superstar
uh
horrible attempts at reasoning with a highly infectious disease
i guess there's only one way left to look at this now: as a win/win
-if republicans are right, this awful quarantining shyt is over and we're done with it
-if republicans are wrong, theyll pay for it in november. bigly
because they're gonna open it up when they open it up
horrible attempts at reasoning with a highly infectious disease
the cac mamba
Veteran
oh, ok. so you're leading an armed rally in front of your governor's office, to force them to make the national guard make everyone stay inside?
godspeed
your valor is appreciated. thank god for heroes like you
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Hood Critic
The Power Circle
terrible post
how is britain addressing this, and what lessons can britain give us?
The government is actually trying to help it's citizens financially and not trying to force them back to work before it's safe.
The Tories seem to have been as lazy as Trump was responding to the pandemic and calls for testing but to help economically they have actively encouraged furloughing, paying up to £2500 of an employee's salary over the next three months, with plans to extend if necessary. There are provisions for small businesses and the self employed, and even charities have been given government relief. NHS trusts that run the hospitals etc have had their debts cancelled.
Trying to make sure people stay alive isn't feelgood bullshyt. It's humanity. It may be time to reacquaint yourself with that quality.