Coronavirus Thread: Worldwide Pandemic

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the AZ/ Oxford one has certainly had less trials on significantly older populations and this was the decision of Oxford University as didn't consider it at this stage to be ethnical to do so. So they're right in Germany that the evidence is less, but talk of 8% efficacy is a wild statement. The data will come. It sounds like a misjudgement to keep the AZ/ Oxford one for older people when they should have known the trials focused on younger people and therefore Moderna or Pfizer one perhaps best for older people if more confident in their data. This is from the interview i posted:

“The issue with the elderly data is not so much whether it works or not. It´s that we have today a limited amount of data in the older population. You have to think that the program we have today was run by Oxford, it was the Oxford program. And Oxford is an academy group. They´re very ethical, and very academic. So they didn´t want to vaccinate older people until they had accumulated a lot of safety data in the 18 to 55 group. They said it was not ethical to vaccinate old people until they had enough safety data in younger people. Other companies took this risk, went ahead and vaccinated older people faster or earlier. If you start earlier, you have more data. Essentially, because Oxford started vaccinating older people later, we don´t have a huge number of older people who have been vaccinated. So that's what the debate is. But we have strong data showing very strong antibody production against the virus in the elderly, similar to what we see in younger people. It's possible that some countries, out of caution, will use our vaccine for the younger group. But honestly, it is fine. There's no enough vaccines for everybody. So if they want to use another vaccine for older people and our vaccine for younger people, what´s the problem? It’s not a problem. We're trying to deal with this crisis together. If you add up our capacity, plus the Pfizer capacity, plus the Moderna capacity, there’s not enough in the world. There's not enough for the entire world. I personally think that the group of people who are between 50 and 70 are an important group to protect. If you are 50, 60, you need to be protected. Many people may have hypertension, overweight, you need to protect them. And the younger people, at some point, we need to protect them also. So, even though no country has done so so far, it’s possible that some countries will say: we will not use the AZ vaccine in older people until we have the US data confirming that it is indeed to be used in older people. Different groups or countries will take different approaches. The UK said: we believe it works in older people, we’re going to use it in older people”.

reports: sohh :patrice:

"German authorities recommend blocking use of AstraZeneca vaccine for over-65s
Public health agency says not enough data available, complicating EU’s acrimonious vaccine rollout

The independent commission advising the German government on vaccination policy has recommended that the AstraZeneca vaccine not be used for people aged over 65, in a move likely to complicate the acrimonious rollout of the jab in the EU.

A statement by the Standing Vaccine Commission at the Robert Koch Institute, Germany’s main public health agency, said there were “insufficient data currently available to ascertain how effective the vaccination is above 65 years”.

For that reason, the commission recommended that the vaccine only be used for people aged between 18 and 64. The body added that the two vaccines that had been approved by the EU authorities — from BioNTech/Pfizer and Moderna — were judged to be “equivalent in terms of safety and efficacy”."

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If you already received shot #1 in the UK what do you do?

Does this call into question their efficacy/efficacy-jump from 62% to 90-odd%?

Target/high-er risk group is heavily skewed towards the older population.
 

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The doctors should have left him go if it wasn't for the legal repercussions.

there shouldn't be any legal repercussions. he should be presented with a waiver and then go home to die and hopefully infect his retarded family and they die too. and with that the world is a better place with the stroke of a pen.
 

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Is that a photo of him getting the results?

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Probably not but it fits the title.

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