Cornel West reacts to Obama's remarks on GZ verdict. Calls Obama a hypocrite and global GZ.

[intilectual recipricol]

Obama has done nothing that expanded what Bush did and what he was faced with coming into office. You cats who are talking about Drone strikes and the innocents killed never seem to ever mention how we got troops out of Iraq and how we are bringing home the troops in Afghanistan. You don't mention the 18 and 19 year old american soldiers who will avoid death by transitioning out of having foot soldiers in Afghanistan (yes a lot of them are black, and I have had black friends killed during these wars) but simply want to focus in the drone strikes and the negatives of them. Truman dropped a fukking Nuke on Japan and we have had deaths in our military efforts dating back to fukking George Washington. You can't expect Obama to come in and end all conflicts he inherited without tough decisions and causalities. The drone shyt is just the narrative you fukkers are using to justify your against the grain mindset.

man you just are wrapped in this Obama shyt, youd justify anything he did. Its truly disgusting man. Again, I voted for the nikka, twice, but that doesnt mean I will ignore this bullshyt. This isnt to go against the grain, its real shyt and real grievances. But hey he's black so we should just go along with whatever he does... fukkouttahere

 

[Type Username Here]

Obama has done nothing that expanded what Bush did and what he was faced with coming into office.

False.

Here is one example.


He also began pre-emptive strikes into places Bush had not. How is that not expanding on it? Can you explain it to me objectively and cite some sources?

You cats who are talking about Drone stroke and the innocents killed never seem to ever mention how we got troops out of Iraq and how we are bringing home the troops in Afghanistan.

The Iraq withdraw agreement was done by Bush. It was agreed and signed by him.

We haven't brought anyone home from Afghanistan yet. When we finally do, it will be 6 years after Obama took office. The number of people who went there and died there increased under his Presidency.

You don't mention the 18 and 19 year old american soldiers who will avoid death by transitioning out of having foot soldiers in Afghanistan but simply want to focus in the drone strikes and the negatives of them.

A soldier chooses to put his life on the line. A child does not. Bombing teenagers and children because they are at the wrong place at the wrong time is criminal behavior, especially when we know that sometimes we are basically just guessing.

Truman dropped a fukking Nuke on Japan and we have had deaths in our military efforts dating back to fukking George Washington. You can't expect Obama to come in and end all conflicts he inherited with, without tough decisions and causalities.

None of this has any bearing on the President's decision to take actions that result in hundreds of innocent children dying in the present day.

 

[The War Report]

Opinion piece from the Harvard Law Record:

Such hypocrisy from Obama.

 

[blackzeus]

at Cornell West. Dude sittin' in is lay-z-boy at princeton talkin' sh*t. Obama's doing as best as he can. How quickly we forget the gridlock over the budget when Obama was trying to right the ship.

 

[bzb]

But you're neglecting that the current President has expanded upon the Bush Doctrine, and in some cases implemented his own criminal policies that go beyond even what Bush did. You're acting as if he let the status quo remain because of opposition, when the truth is that he oversaw a drastic escalation.

you have to understand what was started isn't something we can just quit. not only that, but there is a legitimate element to some of these threats facing the us. we can't not respond or deal with those. also consider gov factions and the military complex would prefer boots on the ground or invasion, but the obama admin seems to have chosen the less costly and invasive alternative of "drone wars" and clandestine activities. that's far less than the drastic escalation you call them and will claim far less lives. obama has taken a seat at a poker table and he's not the dealer. i can acknowledge it's a dirty situation and you're gonna get dirty if you take the job like obama. but he can't just get up and walk away from it without consequences. you should do the knowledge on this stuff before casting blame, it's not as simple as you're making it out to be.

btw you're going way off topic with this line of discussion. i still think cornell's criticisms of obama are self serving and crab-ish. he wants obama to be something he can't be. president mlk, wright and the minister all rolled into one. with cornell on his cabinet.

 

[Born2BKing]

False.

Here is one example.


He also began pre-emptive strikes into places Bush had not. How is that not expanding on it? Can you explain it to me objectively and cite some sources?

That's not expanding, it's a shift in strategy.


The Iraq withdraw agreement was done by Bush. It was agreed and signed by him.

We haven't brought anyone home from Afghanistan yet. When we finally do, it will be 6 years after Obama took office. The number of people who went there and died there increased under his Presidency.

Yet? shyt doesn't happen over night dude and don't act like Obama wasn't against the Iraq war and Mccain would not have taken troops out if elected.


A soldier chooses to put his life on the line. A child does not. Bombing teenagers and children because they are at the wrong place at the wrong time is criminal behavior, especially when we know that sometimes we are basically just guessing.

As I said, it's a tough decision and I can't expect an arm chair analyst to understand the intelligence or issues Obama is faced with daily.


None of this has any bearing on the President's decision to take actions that result in hundreds of innocent children dying in the present day.
Bullshyt, you don't think innocent people were killed during the civil wars or any other war we have ever had in this country? The fukk ya'll expect Obama to come into office and be the one who can simply change the history of this country and our military efforts. He is ending the wars and trying to also eliminate threats he is made aware of by his defense team. He isn't Jimmy Carter.

 

[Type Username Here]

you have to understand what was started isn't something we can just quit.

Never understood this. Why not? What has been accomplished in these countries so we could get out? A lot of violence in Afghanistan towards the Western forces are insider attacks. These people have infiltrated all levels of the military, police and government, funded by a Pakastani government we give billions a month to. What exactly needed to change from 2008 to now? Have you seen the violence in Iraq lately? There will most likely be a civil war there soon.

not only that, but there is a legitimate element to some of these threats facing the us. we can't not respond or deal with those.

I see, did you join the war effort and put your life on the line to face these threats?

also consider gov factions and the military complex would prefer boots on the ground or invasion, but the obama admin seems to have chosen the less costly and invasive alternative of "drone wars" and clandestine activities. that's far less than the drastic escalation you call them and will claim far less lives.

So using drones in Yemen and Pakistan, countries we didn't declare war on and had no boots on the ground, that results in innocent children dying by the hundreds is claiming far less lives? Ok.

you should do the knowledge on this stuff before casting blame, it's not as simple as you're making it out to be.

It actually is. The President authorizes every drone strike. By verified accounts, sometimes we don't know who it is we are actually using these weapons against. That is very simple.

 

[Type Username Here]

That's not expanding, it's a shift in strategy.

Is that what it is? Semantic gymnastics.

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et? shyt doesn't happen over night dude and don't act like Obama wasn't against the Iraq war and Mccain would not have taken troops out if elected.

Again, you didn't read the link. The withdrawing of forces in Iraq was set forth by the Iraqis. The plan was being hashed out before the candidates for either party were even determined.

As I said, it's a tough decision and I can't expect an arm chair analyst to understand the intelligence or issues Obama is faced with daily.

I'm only using what information the White House and Holder has provided to the public. Take it up with them.

Bullshyt, you don't think innocent people were killed during the civil wars or any other war we have ever had in this country? The fukk ya'll expect Obama to come into office and be the one who can simply change the history of this country and our military efforts. He is ending the wars and trying to also eliminate threats he is made aware of by his defense team. He isn't Jimmy Carter.

Again, what does this have to do with the present day where the President, by his own admissions, commits to what everyone, including himself at a time, describes as war crimes?

 

[bzb]

Never understood this. Why not? What has been accomplished in these countries so we could get out? A lot of violence in Afghanistan towards the Western forces are insider attacks. These people have infiltrated all levels of the military, police and government, funded by a Pakastani government we give billions a month to. What exactly needed to change from 2008 to now? Have you seen the violence in Iraq lately? There will most likely be a civil war there soon.

would you shoot at a group of people who also have guns, then put down your gun and walk away?

I see, did you join the war effort and put your life on the line to face these threats?

my family and well being are still on the line if a terrorist blows up my city. my tax dollars support this country. i do have family and friends in the armed forces. what's your point?

So using drones in Yemen and Pakistan, countries we didn't declare war on and had no boots on the ground, that results in innocent children dying by the hundreds is claiming far less lives? Ok.

i'm not saying it's right. i'm saying the alternative (boots on the ground in those countries or more boots on the ground closer to those countries) are worse.

It actually is. The President authorizes every drone strike. By verified accounts, sometimes we don't know who it is we are actually using these weapons against. That is very simple.

you believe that sh1t? don't tell me...the mods on coli also review every post before it actually shows up on the board too. .... and it's not simple in the context of what we were discussing. the context being that the military complex and the pre-emptive nature of the conflicts started more than 10 years ago doesn't put us in the position of just picking up our bags and going home without a suicide bomber being far behind.

 

[Type Username Here]

would you shoot at a group of people who also have guns, then put down your gun and walk away?

Didn't answer any of the points I brought up. We are leaving these countries while the "people who have guns" are still in there and the countries are now less stable.

my family and well being are still on the line if a terrorist blows up my city. my tax dollars support this country. i do have family and friends in the armed forces. what's your point?

Just don't understand a man who feels there are threats to his way of life out there and castigates a person who has actually been to war and had to shoot people about how I don't understand the decisions of warfare. YOU don't understand.

i'm not saying it's right. i'm saying the alternative (boots on the ground in those countries or more boots on the ground closer to those countries) are worse.

So what you are saying is that we would have invaded Yemen if we didn't have drones?

you believe that sh1t?

The attorney general and the white house has said this. Take it up with him. Are you saying the President is a liar?

 

[Born2BKing]

Listen to Minister Farrakhan and learn something. Stand up, protest, organize something, gather your community. Don't just sit around and blame Obama. Notice Cornell West clapping his ass off but still won't do shyt but lecture rich white kids at Ivy league schools.

"Until WE force that house (white house) to enforce our agenda"
"How long are you gonna sit around and beg white people to do for us what we can do for ourselves"

@Type Username Here @intilectual recipricol

 

[Foxmulder]

Everybody crying about drones would y'all rather us send troops in to get killed,or invade Yemen and Pakistan?

It's not as simple as y'all making it out to be"Obama killing brown people".

 

[El Bombi]

Obama is on my bad side right now too. But what the fukk has Cornell West done for black outside of running his damn mouth.

 

[Born2BKing]

Obama is on my bad side right now too. But what the fukk has Cornell West done for black outside of running his damn mouth.

Teach at Ivy league schools to rich white kids instead of taking less money to teach at an HBCU. "My brother" Cornell even wrote a book called " The Rich and the Rest of Us" Like his ass ain't rich charging crazy fees to come spit his dumb ass shyt.

 

[Spin]

Cornell West has been bitter ever since Obama didn't invite him to the White House. It's always easier to sit back and complain from a position like his than to actually be in the fire like Obama. It doesn't matter if you agree with Obama or not, either contribute something or sit down.