Copa América 2024 [6/20-7/14] “Coming 2 America” (Final: Argentina/Colombia)

Who Wins The 2024 Copa América?


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hashmander

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On a serious note guys, you SHOULD look to England to improve player development. The USA doesn't have one player that would make England's squad. Learn from us.
you don't believe that. america should be looking at a country like france. they have a similar athlete profile to those in america we need to be attracting to the sport.
 

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A lot of would'ves and could'ves still going on in this thread :pachaha:


At the end of the day either you do or you don't.

We've been trying to cultivate the culture for soccer, let's act like we haven't been putting resources into it. They try to put on a soccer ad on here and people on some "wHo?!?!"

shyt happens every four years for the last three decades, every single time:

USA basically gets handled up and embarrassed year-after-year, people get outraged, then move on with their lives.

Kids don't even know what a World Cup is and are paying more attention to the WNBA right now. How do you fix that? You probably won't in this lifetime.

A major obstacle is this thing called American Football. If that wasn't there you'd have an area you can slip a soccer season into where people would probably care about it. As it stands right now sports season goes American Football -> Basketball -> Baseball ~ Now the WNBA has the summer. shyt is over.

The other obstacle is overall care. The Women's Soccer National Team won a World Cup a few years ago and was competitive year-after-year from there but it didn't put Soccer here anywhere close to where the WNBA is at right now. The mob taste for soccer here isn't the same.
 
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Our 10th choice winger would be the greatest player to ever play for America.
Your 10th choice winger will finish his career trophy less like your 1st choice winger, and your 5th. Your only value as a soccer nation is the fact we will get another Netflix documentary about you failing so we can laugh at you. :mjlol:
 

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you don't believe that. america should be looking at a country like france. they have a similar athlete profile to those in america we need to be attracting to the sport.
Nah concentrate on the whites, give it 40-50 years and a lot of investment and you could have your very own Anthony Gordon.
 

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Your 10th choice winger will finish his career trophy less like your 1st choice winger, and your 5th. Your only value as a soccer nation is the fact we will get another Netflix documentary about you failing so we can laugh at you. :mjlol:
Our current first choice 'winger' just won the Premier League and won a treble last year, do you watch ball or no?
 

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you don't believe that. america should be looking at a country like france. they have a similar athlete profile to those in america we need to be attracting to the sport.
Brehs are taking over the sport there as well. They just get treated like Jackie Robinson in the 50’s when they lose so they tend to crack under pressure.
 

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Cool let's take a look...


✔️ City's best player (KDB)
✔️ Bayern's best player (I guess?)
✔️ Real Madrid's best player (Vini)
✔️ Arsenal's best player (Saliba)

Wow we really them boys huh :whoo:

Americans will never be able to say the above in their lifetimes.
Fixed
 

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There is no way to really build a special soccer player.

Because you can basically be average height and dominate, your competition will be about 8 billion people.

Either you're going to "chosen" to be special where the game is just so incredibly easy for you to the point that it's disrespectful for the other 8 billion people to be on the field with you, or not.

Messi was an average-looking Spanish/Italian was doing this:


That's just not physical attributes, that's just chunking the game in an incredible way, seeing, processing and playing with the situation in ways other players are not even thinking about. It's not that he grew up in a soccer family or had brothers who played soccer either, a lot of people grew up the same way in areas that loved soccer even more, with better coaches - and they're no Messi.


Messi is a terrible example all the way around. He's a once in a lifetime generational freak of nature that spent years with growth hormone treatment in Barcelona.

Better examples would be what Spain does with La Masia/La Fabrica and what France does with Clairfontaine. There's very proven ways to develop talent across large populations. We just do it so poorly because we over value RAW athleticism and de-emphasize technical ability. Mostly because you have to start teaching technical ability at like 8 or 9 years old.
Compared to many other nations there's no excuse for the US. We have not only the facilities, we have the money to do it. But since youth sports is a for-profit scheme outside of public schools, most of the kids that WOULD be top talent won't ever get a shot.

Think about all the top footballers you know. Almost all of them come from the underclass. Very few like Pique, Kaka, Pirlo and RVP came from families with means.
 

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Cool let's take a look...


✔️ City's best player
✔️ Bayern's best player
✔️ Real Madrid's best player
✔️ Arsenal's best player

Wow we really them boys huh :whoo:

Americans will never be able to say the above in their lifetimes.
All that talent and still can’t beat the Americans in a World Cup let alone win a World Cup
 

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Messi is a terrible example all the way around. He's a once in a lifetime generational freak of nature that spent years with growth hormone treatment in Barcelona.

Better examples would be what Spain does with La Masia/La Fabrica and what France does with Clairfontaine. There's very proven ways to develop talent across large populations. We just do it so poorly because we over value RAW athleticism and de-emphasize technical ability. Mostly because you have to start teaching technical ability at like 8 or 9 years old.
Compared to many other nations there's no excuse for the US. We have not only the facilities, we have the money to do it. But since youth sports is a for-profit scheme outside of public schools, most of the kids that WOULD be top talent won't ever get a shot.

Think about all the top footballers you know. Almost all of them come from the underclass. Very few like Pique, Kaka, Pirlo and RVP came from families with means.

See my most recent post.

Regarding the bolded: that's kind of my point here though. People acting like we can make someone like that or if more of our athletes play soccer we'll have another Messi. Like the LeBron of soccer.

It's just not that simple because of how special players like that are.

At 5'7 the lack of a height requirement opens the game up to the whole world, America included ,but there's a reason why we don't have a Messi it's just not common. I don't know why people expect us to produce someone like that. It simply could or couldn't happen, it's no guarantee.

We say the same thing every single year/four year cycle. Enough would've and could'ves. The reality is, you can't force our people here to love soccer like that. Now that it's behind a paywall even less so.
 
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