Considering their tiny population are Jamaicans the most influential people ever?

[MR. SNIFLES]

BOUT TIME TO WRAP THIS THREAD UP.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Jamaicans had a presence since the 1800's all over the carribean, central america, uk and west africa. Facts

jamaica wasn't influential at all on a mass scale prior to the 1960s and the birth of Ska.

 

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

no, it the other way around from slave influence->pidgins/creoles



aframs were liberia and sierre leone

Those were Scotians in SR

 

[IllmaticDelta]

You can't have something (africa) be the catalyst of your music and claim it's a independent creation.

yes and no. Jazz on the whole is largely like nothing from old world Africa or old world Europe other than the idea of surface level african syncopation and surface level european harmony.





Whereas

It's like hispanics claiming reggaetone as original when it's just spanish reggae or

reggaeton isn't that original

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Those were Scotians in SR

yes, black loyalist

Black Loyalist - Wikipedia
Nova Scotian Settlers - Wikipedia

 

[K.O.N.Y]

yes and no. Jazz on the whole is largely like nothing from old world Africa or old world Europe other than the idea of surface level african syncopation and surface level european harmony.





Whereas



reggaeton isn't that original

Which is why i laugh when cacs and others try to claim real estate on Afram/american music

AAframs are literally the ONLY group who could have made it possible going by the bolded

 

[IllmaticDelta]

what KONY said was all facts

 

[Mr.Big Meat McGee]

Jamaicans had a presence since the 1800's all over the carribean, central america, uk and west africa. Facts

Lol no.

 

[Pit Bull]

My nikka said the Jews

 

[BigMan]

does it matter? the chinese food you've given credited to as influential isn't authentic and europeanized/americanized.

You sure? Chinese food globally is not the same

 

[BigMan]

Those were Scotians in SR

And maroons

Krio is derived from Jamaican Patois

 

[HopeKillCure]

yes and no. Jazz on the whole is largely like nothing from old world Africa or old world Europe other than the idea of surface level african syncopation and surface level european harmony.





Whereas



reggaeton isn't that original

Reggaeton ain't original at all, it's only recycled reggae in Spanish.


You are saying that the black experience in America is what created jazz. The white instruments and the black struggle, but Africa originated the expressions and sounds that AAs used to express that experience.

As Africans in America it would seem obvious that the music's origins ain't in America because of the expression anymore than it's in Europe just because of the instruments.

AAs didn't take African sounds and throw it in a pot with white people's tools and created jazz based on their experience at the time.

Africans just took European instruments and freestyled sounds that were already distinctly African.

It's just African sounds played with uncommon instruments to Africa. The American experience didn't create jazz/blues, elements of blues were already in African music.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

And maroons

Krio is derived from Jamaican Patois

sierra leone creoles are 3 ways mixed between jamaicans, aframs and native africans

Sierra Leone Creole people - Wikipedia

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Reggaeton ain't original at all, it's only recycled reggae in Spanish.


You are saying that the black experience in America is what created jazz. The white instruments and the black struggle, but Africa originated the expressions and sounds that AAs used to express that experience.

As Africans in America it would seem obvious that the music's origins ain't in America because of the expression anymore than it's in Europe just because of the instruments.

AAs didn't take African sounds and throw it in a pot with white people's tools and created jazz based on their experience at the time.

Africans just took European instruments and freestyled sounds that were already distinctly African.

It's just African sounds played with uncommon instruments to Africa. The American experience didn't create jazz/blues, elements of blues were already in African music.

it was a creolized experience

 

[MikeyC]

you said it wasn't big and proved othewise

Its not big outside of America.

if you clicked on the lick and saw the video, you clearly saw they were doing american bbq which was invented in america

I clicked the link and all I didn't see anything pertaining to "American" BBQ.

I didn't watch the video because my time is too precious.