Comic brehs, who is smartest between Doom, Reed, Banner and Stark?

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shouldnt this go to doom now ... reed was smarter than doom when doom was mainly a FF villain

once he became bigger than that and is essentially someone who the xmen and avengers have to deal with it too, i'd argue he may be the smartest. didnt he recently conquer the entire universe just for kicks?
It was not for kicks. Doom had to do it cause he can make the hard choices. He'll reed saved galactus a dude who killed trillions. Smh
 

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What Doom did in the original Secret Wars is above the entire Reed Richards existence to date..so I'm not sure where is this mindset that he's above Doom. Doom created a working time machine...
Because Hickman said so , reed about to beat God doom
 

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Reed is smarter than Doom, but Doom takes his science a lot further because he has nothing holding him back. Reed was out there building dimensional bridges that hooked him up with an interdimensional Illuminati of himselves who had a basement full of captured Dooms, but his fam always stops him from going over the deep end with that shyt.
 
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Smart as in Raw intelligence ?

Reed probably is the smartest
However Charles Xavier can control and read minds

If he knows what the smartest man is thinking and can make you do anything that would seem to make him pretty smart
 

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Reed is Leonardo, Doom is Raphael

bad analogy i admit, i'm searching my brain for one better

banner is to bio what stark is to tech. Pym falls in the middle.

I dunno.
 

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See to me, Doom's current feat in Secret Wars 2015, "taking over the universe for kicks", felt more circumstantial than him being smarter than Reed and the rest of the Illuminati (T'Challa, Stark, Banner, Hank, etc).

i.e. Molecule Man, this nigh all powerful deux ex machina villain who can alter reality, knew exactly why worlds and universes were being destroyed, and knew who the villains behind it all were (b/c he was created by said villains)... he went to Doom and told him everything. He even told Doom what the short term solution was (kill all the alternate universe Molecule Men, since the MMs were created to be universe-destroying time bombs by the villains) and gave Doom the tool needed to destroy them.

From that point on, Doom gets credit for how he used the provided information to get to where things are now... but point is, he got a lot of that info upfront... whereas Reed, T'Challa, Stark and co were essentially in the dark having to do guess work from scratch.
 

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And just by the very nature of Doom and Reed, in particular...

By set principle, Doom is the 'bad guy' so he's always going to be coming up with schemes and setting things in motion unbeknownst to the F4, who are otherwise minding their own business...

Basically Doom (with however much 'prep time' he wants) instigates and Reed (fresh on the scene) then has to react to figure out what Doom is doing this time and how to solve it, so during that process Doom will look like he's superior in smarts but context is needed.

Not saying that that's how it works *all* the time but that it's a common trope across mediums.
 

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See to me, Doom's current feat in Secret Wars 2015, "taking over the universe for kicks", felt more circumstantial than him being smarter than Reed and the rest of the Illuminati (T'Challa, Stark, Banner, Hank, etc).

i.e. Molecule Man, this nigh all powerful deux ex machina villain who can alter reality, knew exactly why worlds and universes were being destroyed, and knew who the villains behind it all were (b/c he was created by said villains)... he went to Doom and told him everything. He even told Doom what the short term solution was (kill all the alternate universe Molecule Men, since the MMs were created to be universe-destroying time bombs by the villains) and gave Doom the tool needed to destroy them.

From that point on, Doom gets credit for how he used the provided information to get to where things are now... but point is, he got a lot of that info upfront... whereas Reed, T'Challa, Stark and co were essentially in the dark having to do guess work from scratch.
You can't get away with this...when Tony and Reed were left looking and without answers, Doom dissected Galactus using a Klaw weapon and conquered the Beyonders They don't have a feat that touches that. They never did. Reed could never figure out how to reverse Grimm's condition or how to cure the Legacy virus either. So he's not the be and end all...if he was so smart, why was he so fukking frustrated during Onslaught after every device he and Tony put together failed over and over again while Doom appeared, built something on the spot, and created the means that started the ending.

Forge's intelligence comes from his powers...he loses his powers. He's done. That wouldn't matter with Magneto, Sinister, Doom, Reed, or Valeria. They know too much about tech, science, and genetics. I don't see Pym anywhere near the list...Ultron has made a fool out of him for far too long and if wasn't for Wanda bailing him out, he would be dead.
 
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