Collapse of traditional child-bearing and marriage globally in charts

[phcitywarrior]

What are you basing any of this of off? Poorer cultures have maintained marriage and family through much harder times. Marriage itself being expensive is a societal construct. People living together in family or communial settings have it much better off alone. And its a proven fact......

Not gonna quote your whole post but you hit the nail on the head. Society has set different expectations for women and men in our current age. And those expectations don't converge into taking up the mantle of marriage.

 

[qwer]

Not gonna quote your whole post but you hit the nail on the head. Society has set different expectations for women and men in our current age. And those expectations don't converge into taking up the mantle of marriage.

Facts that aren’t anymore incentives for a man to get married anymore in the west. You can do everything in a marriage without actually getting married. It just doesn’t make any sense anymore. There isn’t even an incentive anymore for men to even be in a household with the government forcing fathers out of the house. Too much anti-male Laws and culture in America. And you have the chance of losing half your shyt in a divorce. It’s better to get married and move to another country that is not western.

 

[qwer]

Facts that aren’t anymore incentives for a man to get married anymore in the west. You can do everything in a marriage without actually getting married. It just doesn’t make any sense anymore. There isn’t even an incentive anymore for men to even be in a household with the government forcing fathers out of the house. Too much anti-male Laws and culture in America. And you have the chance of losing half your shyt in a divorce. It’s better to get married and move to another country that is not western.

To sum it up Marriage is dead woman have killed it

 

[DrBanneker]

Not gonna quote your whole post but you hit the nail on the head. Society has set different expectations for women and men in our current age. And those expectations don't converge into taking up the mantle of marriage.

There is the paradox of choice too. Psychologists reportedly have shown more choices means that on average people are less satisfied even if they make a good choice. 50 years ago, your family/friend/classmate circle probably dictated your marriage partner. Now people living in cities with Tinder have a damn buffet. Why try just one?

 

[DrBanneker]

how many were born in a cohabitation

I think most in EU and maybe LatAm are born to cohabitants. The US has a much higher share of single mothers.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

In any of these conversations people forget that the idea of “marriage” itself has changed over the course of human history and will continue to evolve.

Comparing marriage numbers from 1960 to 2020 tells you almost nothing without context.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

What are you basing any of this of off? Poorer cultures have maintained marriage and family through much harder times. Marriage itself being expensive is a societal construct. People living together in family or communial settings have it much better off than those alone. And its a proven fact kids from 2 parent homes are more stable

The Great Depression didnt see fathers abandoning their children en masse no matter how badly it got financially.

Yall want to keep dancing around the point. Its time to come to terms: the feminists were wrong. They dont have the answers and never did. Their priority was always agency which was needed for sufferage but is not a communial mindset. Everbody is "doing whats best for me"


Women influenced by american western culture dont maintain long relationships as long, I've observed this irl. And while they are forward thinking in agency for women they've never considered what role they want from men. They have the same expectations and ideas of men as their grandmas but with a longer leash for themselves. Just "support women", " Believe women", "give women more opportunities" yet we've never had a forward thinking societal role for males.

Men have the same societal expectations as men from the pre depression days: job, marriage, house and family. Inflation? Bad economy? Bad job market? Deal with it because jeff bezos exists and no queen deserves to settle even he isnt going to date her. America wants to keep producing a bunch of Archie Bunkers to somehow maintain relationships with City Girls and its not working. Make girls to be "independent" bitter misandrists who resent most things the word " Wife" represents while conditoning boys to be head of family units for women who dont care about family. Brilliant plan America

As lucrative as it is to put marriage and divorce in a cycle, I doubt this countryr has incentive to change

I can already hear the capes in the distance, so whoever is reading this and is preparing to type the word "incel", just remember I get more p*ssy than you and if your rebuttal isnt on the topic you aren't worth my time

Like this. You are looking at depression era marriage from a 2020 lens.

The idea of a nuclear family or “marriage” being just man wife and kids is a fairly new concept.

All through human history communal living was the norm, yes people were “married” but ultimately household duties, child raising, farming, hunting, etc were shared by the community.

It’s a misnomer to say “fathers didn’t abandon kids in the depression era” cause a fathers roll was viewed way different then. By 2020 standards most of those fathers weren’t there for their kids regardless of marital status.

As for your feminist rant.......

 

[BillBanneker]

Comparing marriage numbers from 1960 to 2020 tells you almost nothing without context.

This.

The economics, social expectations and freedoms (particularly for women), technology have changed drastically in the past 100 years for the developed countries. While, the ideals and expectations of marriage largely hasn't, expect for the commercialization of weddings IMO.

 

[Kenny West]

Like this. You are looking at depression era marriage from a 2020 lens.

The idea of a nuclear family or “marriage” being just man wife and kids is a fairly new concept.

What?

I mean "nuclear" is a term that serves sociology discussions. The idea of family and the roles of that family have never changed.

Go ahead and drop your source if you claim otherwise.

All through human history communal living was the norm, yes people were “married” but ultimately household duties, child raising, farming, hunting, etc were shared by the community.

It’s a misnomer to say “fathers didn’t abandon kids in the depression era” cause a fathers roll was viewed way different then. By 2020 standards most of those fathers weren’t there for their kids regardless of marital status.

Communial living values only reinforces gender roles modern women hate: communial child rearing, parents (men) having a say in who you marry, not being able to divorce at will, people judging/being in your business etc. Men being expected to lead protect and provide didnt change at all. You chose your example rather poorly

So how is fatherhood viewed differently? Such an important detail is the crux of your post and yet you strangely left it out.



I know what you didn't forget to leave out though.

As for your feminist rant.......

 

[MeachTheMonster]

The idea of family and the roles of that family have never changed.

This is egregiously false.

Can’t get anywhere in this convo if we aren’t starting with a basis of truth/reality.

Go read

 

[Kenny West]

This is egregiously false.

Can’t get anywhere in this convo if we aren’t starting with a basis of truth/reality.

Go read

nikka quoted me, got served and now saying "I DONT WANNA TALK!!!"


The truth and reality is you getting a salty p*ssy from not sourcing/explaining anything you said for 3 posts now burden of proof is on WOATs, you not the authority on shyt playboy

OP already said no shaming, I already said dont quote me in your simp feelings. Go read

 

[MeachTheMonster]

nikka quoted me, got served and now saying "I DONT WANNA TALK!!!"


The truth and reality is you getting a salty p*ssy from not sourcing/explaining anything you said for 3 posts now burden of proof is on WOATs, you not the authority on shyt playboy

OP already said no shaming, I already said dont quote me in your simp feelings. Go read

Behave like a 12 year old incele brehs

 

[Kenny West]

Behave like a 12 year old incele brehs

@DrBanneker this simp has obviously had enough, go ahead and show him to the door.

I made my post on the first page, get ready for more of this

 

[ExodusNirvana]

This.

The economics, social expectations and freedoms (particularly for women), technology have changed drastically in the past 100 years for the developed countries. While, the ideals and expectations of marriage largely hasn't, expect for the commercialization of weddings IMO.

I agree with this

What benefit is there to me getting married? There is none.

What are the pitfalls? There are plenty. People change....situations change....people fall in and out of love....financial crises...the list goes on and on

 

[ogc163]

Cost of raising children:



Cost of children impacting happiness:

" Blanchflower has long sought to resolve this mismatch between research and human behavior, and he recently made some headway. In a new working paper, he and his co-author, Andrew Clark of the Paris School of Economics, detailed the importance of a single factor: parents’ financial strain. Subtract the stress of struggling to pay bills from the equation, and the presence of children tends to bring parents happiness...
It’s not that children make you unhappy,” Blanchflower told me. “It’s the fact that they bring lots of expenses and difficulties. You have to buy the milk and the diapers. And that financial pressure gets muddled up with this.”

It Isn’t the Kids. It’s the Cost of Raising Them.