Colin Powell passes from Covid

[Claudex]

Wow...Rest in peace

 

[Lucky_Lefty]

I never said anything negative about him. But the truth is, he either was complicit in starting a war, or he was incompetent and misled

Bro, that war was happening with or without Powell lending his credibility to it. He just followed his military principles when he shouldn’t have.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

Bro, that war was happening with or without Powell lending his credibility to it. He just followed his military principles when he shouldn’t have.

Which makes him just as complicit as everyone in the Bush Administration, which his point..........

 

[42 Monks]

Weird times where the media and general public just give a dude a pass for getting thousands of people murdered. WEIRD TIMES INDEED

while powell did run that blatant disgrace of an exaggeration, giving his part emphasis as if he was the sole guiding factor in the iraq war is just as disingenuous that war was happening, and going to be horrible, regardless of powell's input

i just don't think you can find anyone at the general/sec level without an ocean of blood on their hands created through deliberate action or inaction. for every war started, there's two more that people at that position look the other way on without a second thought

Which makes him just as complicit as everyone in the Bush Administration, which his point..........

ehhhhhhh sorta

the biggest detraction between bush and all his aides was if this is going to happen, lets be smart about it. and many were adamant about measured approaches, exit strategies, acknowledging war crimes, rebuilding, etc

its not so general, but this is the coli and TLR so i don't expect the discussion to be that nuanced

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Such a troubled legacy.

Dude was involved in My Lai too

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

ehhhhhhh sorta

the biggest detraction between bush and all his aides was if this is going to happen, lets be smart about it. and many were adamant about measured approaches, exit strategies, acknowledging war crimes, rebuilding, etc

its not so general, but this is the coli and TLR so i don't expect the discussion to be that nuanced

At the end of the day though, he sat there and tailored/manipulated the evidence given to him when speaking to the UN about the war. Him trying to have revisionist history doesn't change that fact that he played a part in what transpired even if it wasn't as blatant as other members of the Bush Administration.

I don't like playing the who deserves more blame game when you're talking about innocent dying in the end. He's still got blood on his hands whether he intentioned to do so or did it out of incompetence/naiveness.

It's all a part of his legacy whether people are willing to acknowledge it or not. They all fukked up in some way, shape or form and that's what led to what transpired and stained all of their legacies.

 

[Sinnerman]

RIP

 

[Lucky_Lefty]

Such a troubled legacy.

Dude was involved in My Lai too

You care about My Lai now???

 

[42 Monks]

At the end of the day though, he sat there and tailored/manipulated the evidence given to him when speaking to the UN about the war. Him trying to have revisionist history doesn't change that fact that he played a part in what transpired even if it wasn't as blatant as other members of the Bush Administration.

I don't like playing the who deserves more blame game when you're talking about innocent dying in the end. He's still got blood on his hands whether he intentioned to do so or did it out of incompetence/naiveness.

It's all a part of his legacy whether people are willing to acknowledge it or not.

at the end of the day, that's the entire game at that stage its demons only from Lt. Col/Senator and up. not gonna pretend that folks aren't just picking and choosing their favorite war criminals to rep and conveniently rationalize as needed

yal can do that

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

at the end of the day, that's the entire game at that stage its demons only from Lt. Col/Senator and up. not gonna pretend that folks aren't just picking and choosing their favorite war criminals to rep and conveniently rationalize as needed

yal can do that

I don't condone or rationalize any war criminal, so you must be referring to other posters when you mention that comment.

I've even gone as far as saying in previous posts that a lot of people unnecessarily died when state and local government shut down arts and craft stores, which cut out avenues that people could buy and create masks when they were hard to come by at the time.

I keep the same consistency in calling it when I see it especially considering the fact that I don't rock with any of these people or care about them like that to rationalize or justify their actions/inactions

 

[hex]

Bro, that war was happening with or without Powell lending his credibility to it. He just followed his military principles when he shouldn’t have.

I dunno how old you are but Powell was basically PR for "selling" that war to the public. He was respected enough that when he weighed in, it helped swing public opinion.

So "it would've happened anyway" is a moot point. I mean, by that logic he could've chose not to endorse it.

Later in life he even admitted he never should've co-signed it so I'm not even sure what people are disagreeing about at this point in the thread.

Fred.

 

[Lucky_Lefty]

I dunno how old you are but Powell was basically PR for "selling" that war to the public. He was respected enough that when he weighed in, it helped swing public opinion.

So "it would've happened anyway" is a moot point. I mean, by that logic he could've chose not to endorse it.

Later in life he even admitted he never should've co-signed it so I'm not even sure what people are disagreeing about at this point in the thread.

Fred.

I’m old enough to where I served in that area twice. And it’s not a moot point when it’s fukkin fact. It was inevitable. By the time he made that speech, we were already pre-staged in the area. And again, he followed his military principle of never publicly showing up your higher ups when you’re in public, only behind closed doors. Bucking back against the Cheneys and Wolfowitzs is well documented by the Woodwards and the DC writer insider gang. Resigning would’ve been just that. I’m not absolving him, just reiterating his words from his memoir that he wrote before even being in that administration.

 

[42 Monks]

I don't condone or rationalize any war criminal, so you must be referring to other posters when you mention that comment.

I've even gone as far as saying in previous posts that a lot of people unnecessarily died when state and local government shut down arts and craft stores, which cut out avenues that people could buy and create masks when they were hard to come by at the time.

I keep the same consistency in calling it when I see it especially considering the fact that I don't rock with any of these people or care about them like that to rationalize or justify their actions/inactions

I'm not saying you're condoning anything and I genuinely ain't even implying that either lol.

I'm saying that at that level, every deliberate action or inaction will to lead to thousands of deaths. The scale is different. People making those decisions don't even deserved to be labeled as the same type of human as the rest of us. And if that consistency is there as you say, then I'm not stating anything strange at all. Everyone who's ever even wanted that position or level of power is categorically a piece of shyt compared to the rest of us.

And compared to most pieces of shyt, Colin wasn't that bad

I dunno how old you are but Powell was basically PR for "selling" that war to the public. He was respected enough that when he weighed in, it helped swing public opinion.

So "it would've happened anyway" is a moot point. I mean, by that logic he could've chose not to endorse it. He even admitted he never should've co-signed it so I'm not even sure what people are disagreeing about at this point in the thread.

Fred.

That war was 'sold' when Tony Blair hopped on board and everyone who wanted to stay on the US/UK party bus had to choose if they were riding or not It was just a lip service and bureaucratic showtunes at that point

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

I'm not saying you're condoning anything and I genuinely ain't even implying that either lol.

I'm saying that at that level, every deliberate action or inaction will to lead to thousands of deaths. The scale is different. People making those decisions don't even deserved to be labeled as the same type of human as the rest of us. And if that consistency is there as you say, then I'm not stating anything strange at all. Everyone who's ever even wanted that position or level of power is categorically a piece of shyt compared to the rest of us.

And compared to most pieces of shyt, Colin wasn't that bad

My point is that he was complicit in what transpired and it's a part of his legacy there deserved to be mentioned whether it's fair or not. Dudes are trying to absolve him of it and place all the blame on everyone in the Bush Administration when everyone played a part in what happened. Even he's admitted so himself that he played a part in what happened.

It will be mentioned with their legacy as well when they die just like it's being done in the case of Powell. That's just how it works

 

[42 Monks]

I’m old enough to where I served in that area twice. And it’s not a moot point when it’s fukkin fact. It was inevitable. By the time he made that speech, we were already pre-staged in the area. And again, he followed his military principle of never publicly showing up your higher ups when you’re in public, only behind closed doors. Resigning would’ve been just that. I’m not absolving him, just reiterating his words from his memoir that he wrote before even being in that administration.

yep....

only thing all that shyt did was signal a last call for anyone else who wanted to credit for being there when the war kicked off...