Colin Powell passes from Covid

[Lucky_Lefty]

I'm not saying you're condoning anything and I genuinely ain't even implying that either lol.

I'm saying that at that level, every deliberate action or inaction will to lead to thousands of deaths. The scale is different. People making those decisions don't even deserved to be labeled as the same type of human as the rest of us. And if that consistency is there as you say, then I'm not stating anything strange at all. Everyone who's ever even wanted that position or level of power is categorically a piece of shyt compared to the rest of us.

And compared to most pieces of shyt, Colin wasn't that bad

That war was 'sold' when Tony Blair hopped on board and everyone who wanted to stay on the US/UK party bus had to choose if they were riding or not It was just a lip service and bureaucratic showtunes at that point

Why bother explaining fam? nikkas are too entrenched in their “I’m more militant than y’all” personas on here to discuss shyt with nuance. It’s a pointless exercise

 

[42 Monks]

My point is that he was complicit in what transpired and it's a part of his legacy there deserved to be mentioned whether it's fair or not. Dudes are trying to absolve him of it and place all the blame on everyone in the Bush Administration when everyone played a part in what happened.

It will be mentioned with their legacy as well when they die just like it's being done in the case of Powell. That's just how it works

you stuck on argue to argue did i absolve him or not? actually i think i went ahead and said that far more are worth scrutiny - but if you're going to 'like' any of these subhuman sychophants, then at least powell was one who's interests were identifiable with many. if someone says he's their favorite demon then shyt okay you could name a hell of a lot worse especially if the logic is "its about time a black person gets to sit at that table".

Why bother explaining fam? nikkas are too entrenched in their “I’m more militant than y’all” personas on here to discuss shyt with nuance. It’s a pointless exercise

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[pickles]

He was bamboozled and hoodwinked by the white man. They needed a honorable man to sell the Iraq War Part 2 and he was it.
This is what happens when you don't ask "why" and believe in that country first/patriot bullshyt.

RIP

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

you stuck on argue to argue did i absolve him or not? actually i think i went ahead and said that far more are worth scrutiny - but if you're going to 'like' any of these subhuman sychophants, then at least powell was one who's interests were identifiable with many. if someone says he's their favorite demon then shyt okay you could name a hell of a lot worse especially if the logic is "its about time a black person gets to sit at that table".


waiting for shyt to download

I don't like any of those subhuman sycophants and I literally made that clear in a previous post........

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

He was bamboozled and hoodwinked by the white man. They needed a honorable man to sell the Iraq War Part 2 and he was it.
This is what happens when you don't ask "why" and believe in that country first/patriot bullshyt.

RIP

And didn't he regret it or admit it was a huge mistake?

 

[hex]

I’m old enough to where I served in that area twice. And it’s not a moot point when it’s fukkin fact. It was inevitable. By the time he made that speech, we were already pre-staged in the area. And again, he followed his military principle of never publicly showing up your higher ups when you’re in public, only behind closed doors. Bucking back against the Cheneys and Wolfowitzs is well documented by the Woodwards and the DC writer insider gang. Resigning would’ve been just that. I’m not absolving him, just reiterating his words from his memoir that he wrote before even being in that administration.

There seems to be some kind of disconnect here.

I never said you were absolving him. I said, it happening with or without his input is a moot point when he himself admitted he never should have endorsed that war.

So "well, he couldn't break rank" doesn't really factor in. He regretted his role in it. You all being pre-staged also....not really understanding the point of mentioning that. Nobody said he pushed the button and made it happen. I said, he sold it to the public. It was a terrible idea that he went along with, either purposely or through sheer incompetence. "Well, it would've happened anyway"....cool. But as it stands it didn't happen without him, he was right there in the thick of it.

That war was 'sold' when Tony Blair hopped on board and everyone who wanted to stay on the US/UK party bus had to choose if they were riding or not It was just a lip service and bureaucratic showtunes at that point

The American public didn't give a fukk who Tony Blair was. C'mon now.

For some bizarre reason you cats seem to think "Colin Powell was complicit" means he was the ring leader. You can probably name 20 other people just as guilty, if not more guilty. Ok, cool. When they die if people make an RIP thread, I'm sure people will mention this in relation to them as welll.

For the time being though, the focus is on Powell.

Fred.

 

[richaveli83]

I'll give him props for calling out the Republicans racism but he's got blood on his hands for Iraq.

 

[42 Monks]

There seems to be some kind of disconnect here.

I never said you were absolving him. I said, it happening with or without his input is a moot point when he himself admitted he never should have endorsed that war.

So "well, he couldn't break rank" doesn't really factor in. He regretted his role in it. You all being pre-staged also....not really understanding the point of mentioning that. Nobody said he pushed the button and made it happen. I said, he sold it to the public. It was a terrible idea that he went along with, either purposely or through sheer incompetence. "Well, it would've happened anyway"....cool. But as it stands it didn't happen without him, he was right there in the thick of it.



The American public didn't give a fukk who Tony Blair was. C'mon now.

For some bizarre reason you cats seem to be "Colin Powell was complicit" means he was the ring leader. You can probably name 20 other people just as guilty, if not more guilty. Ok, cool. When they die if people make an RIP thread, I'm sure people will mention this in relation to them as welll.

For the time being though, the focus is on Powell.

Fred.

Okay. If you're arguing about the American public's investment in the Iraq War - it literally didn't matter at that point. Bush's WOAT approval rating is testament to that along with everything else going on at the time. The UN event wasn't meant for us, it was for dozens of other countries still on the fence and opportunistic about what military favors they could ask from us in the future if they participated in what was supposed to be Gulf War 2.

The only reason Bush didn't get impeached, was because it was convenient for the Democrats to keep him in office and continue absorbing all the Ls.

But before anything else - People have to acknowledge the effect of a US/UK initiative to war and the effect it had on all of its partner nations and respective umbrella.

Its not even revisionist history, its just limited perspective and focusing on the domestic situation without considering that we were already staged on the borders and ready to kick it off Saying that Colin was the make or break on that is plainly untrue. And if he quit, then we'd have still jumped knee deep into a war that would destabilize the region and revolutionize modern terrorism. And honestly, its better that someone as competent as Powell was there to guide what he could instead of much, much worse people.

So does he hold a massive stain on his rep from Iraq. Yeah. But there's also a very, very real truth that African Americans at that level consistently get left holding an unfair amount of blame for towing the same line as their white counterparts. Another example is Susan Rice. I don't like her at all, but Hillary was more than happy to let her hold the Benghazi L and her career has never recovered from it.

I mean hell, John fukking Bolton got a call back to the White House Biden is the president, etc. Highlighting Powell's Iraq position should get a solid portion of long-standing, still breathing congressmembers out on their ass if the energy was the same.

 

[get these nets]

Some stains on your legacy overshadow the good and that's what's going to happen in his case whether it's fair or not. The man lied to the United Nations about the Iraq situation and innocent people died because of it. Atoning for you sins after the fact isn't going to change that and we said the same thing about John McCain when he tried to change the narrative about his legacy and transgressions.

Fair enough. His credibility around the world is why he was chosen to make the case.

 

[hex]

Its not even revisionist history, its just limited perspective and focusing on the domestic situation without considering that we were already staged on the borders and ready to kick it off Saying that Colin was the make or break on that is plainly untrue.

Homie I respect you as a poster so don't take me cutting down your post to a single sentence as disrespect....but I never once said the last line here.

Never even hinted at it. So we seem to be talking about two different things.

I said him weighing in helped sway public opinion. It did. He knows that, which is why he regrets it.

It would be like goons deciding to rob you, and they ask my opinion. I say "do it".

Would it happen without my input? Probably yes.

Would you hold it against me, that I chose to co-sign their actions?

Of course.

What's crazy is this thread is full of people saying "rest in piss" and all sorts of foul shyt. I never said anything like that. Yes, there's room for nuance in this discussion. But TLR ain't the place for it, so it seems hella disingenuous to start with Colin Powell. That's not directed at you, or anyone specific. I'm just saying people pick and choose when to be nuanced on here.

Fred.

 

[42 Monks]

Homie I respect you as a poster so don't take me cutting down your post to a single sentence as disrespect....but I never once said the last line here.

Never even hinted at it. So we seem to be talking about two different things.

I said him weighing in helped sway public opinion. It did. He knows that, which is why he regrets it.

It would be like goons deciding to rob you, and they ask my opinion. I say "do it".

Would it happen without my input? Probably yes.

Would you hold it against me, that I chose to co-sign their actions?

Of course.

What's crazy is this thread is full of people saying "rest in piss" and all sorts of foul shyt. I never said anything like that. Yes, there's room for nuance in this discussion. But TLR ain't the place for it, so it seems hella disingenuous to start with Colin Powell. That's not directed at you, or anyone specific. I'm just saying people pick and choose when to be nuanced on here.

Fred.

I didn't say you did we both argued general points from both sides of this so no point get all twisted up about it.

 

[mson]

The coup against Aristide was facilitated under him. Shout out to his military accomplishments as a black man though.

 

[LiveFromLondon]

So you white guys masquerading as black bringing up the Iraq war and war crimes now just to shyt on this accomplished brother. So blatant and obvious plus quite sad and pathetic to.

Can you find me an example of this

Actually common here to

i will however ask what you think made him "great".

First black Secretary of state, 4 star general. Are you mentally circumcised.

 

[Alvin]

My role model when I was in the military

 

[trillanova]

So did he pass from Covid or did the vaccine not work?