But I’m sure I can get Willy from Kansas to see why he needs to change the way he and his family think. Just give me a few more minutes of telling him how stupid he is
Coli centrists, what's so great about centrism: come in here and sell us on your political leaning
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especially the bold
So independent from the system, who do you believe is more persuasive to the average American, Bernie or Biden? Can you answer that directly and honestly without deflecting?
But telling people how stupid they are and how they don’t know what’s best for themselves has worked out great so far
Yet every time the Democratic establishment does it during the primaries, we're told that it's "their right to choose" and that it's okay for them to put their thumb on the scale rather than go with the voters' favorite independent.
Not to mention that all the establishment does every time they lose is shyt on anyone who didn't vote for them rather than admit their own campaign failures.
But I’m sure I can get Willy from Kansas to see why he needs to change the way he and his family think. Just give me a few more minutes of telling him how stupid he is
This coming from the party whose last three candidates tried to win elections by saying, "If you don't vote for me you ain't Black", calling their opponents "deplorables", and claiming they can't think straight cause they cling to guns and religion.
Waiting for another goalpost shift in 3....2....1....
LOST IN THE SAUCE
The Sauce Apostle
But telling people how stupid they are and how they don’t know what’s best for themselves has worked out great so far
More bad faith bullshyt from another clown. People are having actual discussions in this thread and for some reason you decided to take a note out of @the cac mamba playbook and come in here to troll.But I’m sure I can get Willy from Kansas to see why he needs to change the way he and his family think. Just give me a few more minutes of telling him how stupid he is
Let the grown ups talk, TLR is that way.
HL, 2022Kinda wild to use the Iowa caucus as some type of definitive metric when Pete won it.
It's interesting watching the need to be morally superior undermine the populist argument.
the irony would be hilarious if it wasn’t so incessantly thick
It's kinda of an ironic full circle for me considering it was one of the major critiques of dems during the Obama administration. The idea that the liberal elites wanted to govern as though they were morally superior.
Interestingly enough it still rings strong in Republican discourse to this day. The idea that parents and families know best and don't need the government telling them what to do.
LOST IN THE SAUCE
The Sauce Apostle
Kinda wild to use the Iowa caucus as some type of definitive metric when Pete won it.
I agree with you that @Pressure's disingenuous bullshyt is HL 2022 in a nutshell.
Bernie got more thousands more votes in Iowa than any other candidate. He was only granted 562.02 SDEs compared to 562.95 SDEs for Pete through a convoluted-ass warping of the results that no one understands to this day. Claiming Pete won as some sort of gotcha when he actually earned thousands fewer votes than Bernie is classic @Pressure.
2020 Iowa Democratic presidential caucuses - Wikipedia
The worst part is that our discussion wasn't about who won. The claim was "Bernie doesn't inspire youth turnout more than other Dems". I proved that Bernie inspired RECORD youth turnout in Iowa 2020 with a MASSIVE portion of the youth vote going to him. Pete's youth vote was ass. So how is the claim, "But Pete won!" anything other than a deflection from the actual argument?
Tellingly, Bernie won the majority of votes in Iowa by dominating among young voters, dominating among non-White voters, and having a clear edge among working-class White voters. You know, all the places where Democrats need better turnout to compete in the general. Pete finished just a few thousand votes behind him by doing well with old Democrats and highly educated white Democrats. You know, the two groups where Dems have the least to gain in voter turnout and the least to make up in future elections.
I wonder if the Democratic establishment will deal with that reality or if they'll ignore it and just keep trying the same bullshyt, hoping for a different result....
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
I really think progressive organizations need
to be community organizations before they become political groups.
No one likes centrism or meely mouth moderates except the people who benefit from the status quo like the Neoliberal and centrist defense forces in this thread.
Make the case in your communities by providing services and helping people instead of jumping head first into politics.
to be community organizations before they become political groups.
No one likes centrism or meely mouth moderates except the people who benefit from the status quo like the Neoliberal and centrist defense forces in this thread.
Make the case in your communities by providing services and helping people instead of jumping head first into politics.
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mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
dora_da_destroyer
Master Baker
that wasn't the claim, the claim was if Bernie who was able to invigorate the youth couldn't do it again with more years to prepare and more resources, why should that be a demographic that's counted on? how many phantom candidates are going to do that for congressional and presidential elections? and repeatedly?I agree with you that @Pressure's disingenuous bullshyt is HL 2022 in a nutshell.
Bernie got more thousands more votes in Iowa than any other candidate. He was only granted 562.02 SDEs compared to 562.95 SDEs for Pete through a convoluted-ass warping of the results that no one understands to this day. Claiming Pete won as some sort of gotcha when he actually earned thousands fewer votes than Bernie is classic @Pressure.
2020 Iowa Democratic presidential caucuses - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
The worst part is that our discussion wasn't about who won. The claim was "Bernie doesn't inspire youth turnout more than other Dems". I proved that Bernie inspired RECORD youth turnout in Iowa 2020 with a MASSIVE portion of the youth vote going to him. Pete's youth vote was ass. So how is the claim, "But Pete won!" anything other than a deflection from the actual argument?
Tellingly, Bernie won the majority of votes in Iowa by dominating among young voters, dominating among non-White voters, and having a clear edge among working-class White voters. You know, all the places where Democrats need better turnout to compete in the general. Pete finished just a few thousand votes behind him by doing well with old Democrats and highly educated white Democrats. You know, the two groups where Dems have the least to gain in voter turnout and the least to make up in future elections.
I wonder if the Democratic establishment will deal with that reality or if they'll ignore it and just keep trying the same bullshyt, hoping for a different result....
that is all
An interesting thread would be who are the progressive candidates we should be looking at in 2024 on a national level. HL has us well educated on the shytiness of our current political sludge, but I’m all ears to hear who they think can unite the nation
dora_da_destroyer
Master Baker
An interesting thread would be who are the progressive candidates we should be looking at in 2024 on a national level. HL has us well educated on the shytiness of our current political sludge, but I’m all ears to hear who they think can unite the nation
obviously
That isn't the argument because that was never the threshold. As you pointed out yourself, Bernie was supposed to unlock so many low turnout voter groups that he would outweigh his lag with other, more traditional dem groups.
He didn't in 2016 and as Dora pointed out, he didnt in 2020 either.
Let's just replace Republicans with democrats since we're talking about the primary.
Bernie Sanders' Call For Young Voters Isn't Working Out The Way He Planned
Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders acknowledged this week that the young voters he's been counting on to boost his candidacy have not shown up at the polls in the strong numbers he had been hoping for.
www.npr.org
You're the only one here attempting to still beat on this drum.
And no, I don't want to here about the establishment stopping him either.
You gotta let this go.
