Cold War II: The United States vs Trump and Co. A Russian Affair

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Time to start to primary these dino's out of office. The they wont give in to the will of their voters, we should help them become the next political contributor on CNN or MSNBC next go around.
Maybe you should wait until the new congressional maps are forged.
 

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The real question is can he be impeached for exercising one of his constitutional powers... :patrice:
With no indictment/not enough evidence to prove collusion i don't believe he was obstructing anything, and i think proceeding with impeachment is silly, but I hope Dems go for it.:pachaha:

He was not obstructing anything? What makes you believe that?

This and the Nixon case share so many similarities, Infact the only easily discernible difference is that he didn’t actually take the step to fire the special counsel, but it’s readily apparent that he viewed it as as a threat and wanted to do so
 

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Mueller's report looks bad for Obama
CNN)The partisan warfare over the Mueller report will rage, but one thing cannot be denied: Former President Barack Obama looks just plain bad. On his watch, the Russians meddled in our democracy while his administration did nothing about it.
The Mueller report flatly states that Russia began interfering in American democracy in 2014. Over the next couple of years, the effort blossomed into a robust attempt to interfere in our 2016 presidential election. The Obama administration knew this was going on and yet did nothing. In 2016, Obama's National Security Adviser Susan Rice told her staff to "stand down" and "knock it off" as they drew up plans to "strike back" against the Russians, according to an account from Michael Isikoff and David Corn in their book "Russian Roulette: The Inside Story of Putin's War on America and the Election of Donald Trump".
Why did Obama go soft on Russia? My opinion is that it was because he was singularly focused on the nuclear deal with Iran. Obama wanted Putin in the deal, and to stand up to him on election interference would have, in Obama's estimation, upset that negotiation. This turned out to be a disastrous policy decision.
Obama's supporters claim he did stand up to Russia by deploying sanctions after the election to punish them for their actions. But, Obama, according to the Washington Post, "approved a modest package... with economic sanctions so narrowly targeted that even those who helped design them describe their impact as largely symbolic." In other words, a toothless response to a serious incursion.
Mueller's report looks bad for Obama (opinion) - CNN
 

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The real question is can he be impeached for exercising one of his constitutional powers... :patrice:
With no indictment/not enough evidence to prove collusion i don't believe he was obstructing anything, and i think proceeding with impeachment is silly, but I hope Dems go for it.:pachaha:

Jesus man. If he did it for the purpose of impeding the INVESTIGATION, WHICH HE ACTUALLY ADMITTED TO LESTER ****!!
Then yes.
 

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That shyt is mind boggling to me

By this logic, the President of the United States really is a King, because if he shot someone in broad daylight in Times Square and his political party controlled all levels of government, then theoretically the President could kill a man and get away with it because Congress and the Senate would not move to impeach and remove him.

True..

but cant he be charged with murder once he leaves office?

I believe this sort of pardon only applies to a "sitting" President
 

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I’m sad to say, I agree with this opinion and I like the guy too.

Yea, this paragraph is the crux of the matter:

If you consider Russian election interference a crisis for our democracy, then you cannot read the Mueller report, adding it to the available public evidence, and conclude anything other than Barack Obama spectacularly failed America. Subsequent investigations of this matter should explore how and why Obama's White House failed, and whether they invented the collusion narrative to cover up those failures.
 

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Even tho it was written by a hack from the Bush administration - the fukking nerve - I have always said that Obama did us a disservice by not being presidential at this moment. He should have let people know what was happening because it was right, and not for politics.

Exactly, I think its a valid point to bring up regardless of partisan leanings.
 
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