CNN panel: Why aren't these bikers called "thugs"?

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Brooke Baldwin :ohlawd:

she threw up that red card on that white man, before that, she grab the brother arm to calm him down, some on "remember how hot I am before you beat this muthafukker up"
 
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We love to embrace the negative stereotypes of ourselves and wear them as a badge of honor.

For example, the "ghetto", nothing to be proud about...at all. What did we do...we made the ghetto and projects seem cool. Had suburbanites leaving their nice safe hoods to experience life in our world.

We're also good at taking words and making them ours (thug, phat, gangsta, ill, etc). It's part of our creativity.

Thug was not a term originally dedicated to us. It was used to describe someone who committed violent crimes in an unorganized manner. A description lower than a gangster. A thug is someone who does the dirty work and takes the fall for a gangster. A thug lacks the smarts and sophistication of a gangster.

Sometime in the early 90's, an official used the term to describe a black person who committed a violent crime. Before this, in our music we would use the term gangsta. This official used the term to slight the black criminals as not being sophisticated enough to be gangsters.

We did what we do and took the word for ourselves. We proudly labeled ourselves as "thugs". To understand this you have to go deeper.

As I've said, we're actually rejecting white "culture". We're rebelling against this system they have set up, which every other race for the most part, are assimilating too. As are our c00ns and others but they are portrayed as the minority. No other race CULTURALLY is as against the grain as we are. Notice the word culture.

The word is a safe racist word, but it's also to do with culture. That's the out white people who aren't racist have. They don't hate our black skin, they "hate our culture". For some, this is pretty accurate, at least in their minds.

So it can be racist...but at times it's about culture...just as big a threat to white supremacy. You can't fight WS if you submit to their culture, they win by default.

Our coolness and flamboyant nature is at odds with WS.

Like it or not, right or wrong, the word has been attached to black people. Lol...at our request. Before our request, it was used for other races too. Same way "ghetto" and "projects" weren't exclusive to us. We made ourselves the poster children for those terms.

That's where manning up comes into play. We gave them a safe racist word to generalize us with. And it's human nature to generalize people, even we do it. Do we not generalize Asians and Hispanics?

As been mentioned, there's thousands of albums with "thug" used as a badge. NO...the term didn't begin with hip hop...but WE embraced it. And totally different from the term "******". ****** was exclusive to black people, thug was not.

Yeah and that statement right there is part of the paradigm of white supremacy. The THUGGEE cult/THUGS were HIGHLY organized...they had UNIVERSITIES.

Thuggee or tuggee (Hindi: Nepali ठग्गी ṭhagī; Urdu: ٹھگ‎; Sanskrit: sthaga; Sindhi: ٺوڳي، ٺڳ; Kannada: ಠಕ್ಕ thakka) refers to the acts of Thugs, an organized gang of professional assassins.

The Thugs travelled in groups across India for six hundred years.[1] Although the Thugs traced their origin to seven Muslim tribes, Hindus appear to have been associated with them at an early period. They were first mentioned in Ẓiyā-ud-Dīn Baranī's History of Fīrūz Shāh dated around 1356.[2] In the 1830s they were targeted for eradication by William Bentinck, Governor-General of India, and his chief captain William Henry Sleeman. The Thuggies were seemingly destroyed by this effort.[1][3]

The Thugs would join travelers and gain their confidence. This would allow them to then surprise and strangle their victims by pulling a handkerchief or noose tight around their necks. They would then rob their victims of valuables and bury their bodies. This led them to also be called Phansigar (English: using a noose), a term more commonly used in southern India.[4] The term Thuggee is derived from the Hindi word ठग, or ṭhag, which means "deceiver". Related words are the verb thugna, "to deceive", from Sanskrit स्थग sthaga "cunning, sly, fraudulent", from स्थगति sthagati "he conceals".[5] This term for a particular kind of murder and robbery of travellers is popular in South Asia and particularly in India.

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Origin and recruitment[edit]
The earliest currently known recorded mention of the Thugs as a special band or fraternity, rather than as ordinary thieves, is found in the following passage of Ziau-d din Barni's History of Firoz Shah (written about 1356):

In the reign of that sultan (about 1290), some Thugs were taken in Delhi, and a man belonging to that fraternity was the means of about a thousand being captured. But not one of these did the sultan have killed. He gave orders for them to be put into boats and to be conveyed into the lower country, to the neighbourhood of Lakhnauti, where they were to be set free. The Thugs would thus have to dwell about Lakhnauti and would not trouble the neighbourhood of Delhi any more.

—Sir HM Elliot, History of India, iii. 141.
Membership was sometimes passed from father to son, in what would now be termed a criminal underclass. The leaders of long-established Thug groups tended to come from these hereditary lines, as the gang developed into a criminal 'tribe'. Other men would get to know a Thug band and would hope to be recruited, in the way that one might aspire to join an elite regiment or university: they were the best operators in "the business" and, like a regiment or college fraternity, once in the group, there was a camaraderie of numbers and shared experience. The robbery became less a question of solving problems of poverty and more a profession, like soldiering.

Sometimes the young children of the travellers would be spared and groomed to become Thugs themselves, as the presence of children would help allay suspicion. A fourth way of becoming a Thug was by training with a guru, similar to an apprenticeship for a guild or profession, during which the candidate could be assessed for reliability, courage, discretion and discipline
 

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Some of y'all are using Pac as an example, but don't even know the history behind his whole "Thug Life" movement. Everything he did, he did it for a reason. If you knew the history, Pac wouldn't even be mentioned in this discussion.

I would post the video of Pac defining what thug life actually meant but I'm not even gonna waste a decent pac interview on this fukkery of a thread :scust:
 
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