FreddyCalhoun
All Star
His rebuttal to Blow's closing statement was..."No, You are willfully blind..." 
CNN panel: Why aren't these bikers called "thugs"?
- Thread starter jadillac
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"Black on black crime" (not the actual violence), but in the sense which white people perpetrate it, is a myth. She breaks it down perfectly (been following her videos for a while). The links she attached are worth checking out too.
Socio-economic conditions is the only reason for crime rates in our community. If we switched places with the collective wealth & education of white people today, our crime rates will drastically go down too.
Nothing says more "I'm buying into the white supremacist narrative" than blaming hiphop....cause then this issue becomes a "cultural" ( read black people's "nature") issue. AKA what the white man been telling us for centuries now: we are savages. it's in our nature to be like this. we need to be subjugated. As opposed to real reasons like cyclical poverty, war on drugs or the fukked up education system & such. let's also not forget that white people projected those stereotypes & the "savage" image all across the world long predating hiphop.
Asking why these 14 year old chicago nikkas rapp about guns & violence will get you nowhere. You should be asking why these 14 year old chicago nikkas grow up in the conditions they grow up in? Hiphop is just the bi-product. Nothing more, nothing less. & blaming hiphop is like trying to cure brain cancer by blaming the MRI report.
Socio-economic conditions is the only reason for crime rates in our community. If we switched places with the collective wealth & education of white people today, our crime rates will drastically go down too.
Nothing says more "I'm buying into the white supremacist narrative" than blaming hiphop....cause then this issue becomes a "cultural" ( read black people's "nature") issue. AKA what the white man been telling us for centuries now: we are savages. it's in our nature to be like this. we need to be subjugated. As opposed to real reasons like cyclical poverty, war on drugs or the fukked up education system & such. let's also not forget that white people projected those stereotypes & the "savage" image all across the world long predating hiphop.
Asking why these 14 year old chicago nikkas rapp about guns & violence will get you nowhere. You should be asking why these 14 year old chicago nikkas grow up in the conditions they grow up in? Hiphop is just the bi-product. Nothing more, nothing less. & blaming hiphop is like trying to cure brain cancer by blaming the MRI report.
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Piff Perkins
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White woman and a black guy spitting truth about race? But Coli militants told me all white people can't be trusted.
Rell84shots
Veteran
And for the most part they can'tWhite woman and a black guy spitting truth about race? But Coli militants told me all white people can't be trusted.
PhonZhi
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Nothing
PhonZhi
Veteran
I know he has platinum records. I meant selling like eminem.
Damn u backpedal better than Deion in his prime
PhonZhi
Veteran
Props to them for at least raising the question....because we all know it exists.
Brother held it down. I haven't seen a black person hold it down like that on national TV in a long long time. 
at the simple cracker and his room temperature IQ. It's like the brother was trying to talking to a monkey.
PhonZhi
Veteran
this is texas shyt...we wouldnt even call them hoes thugs..maybe peckerwoods..
texas we call em like it is...fukk that thug shyt...
if they black..its nikkas..
whites peckerwoods..
n y the swat didnt get involve..and why they waited til the gang was done..is this same muhfukkas shootin at each other..will click up..n to go head up with the law..
n this is waco..were standin off with the law..aint shyt...but target practice...
who the fukk cares if the thug label didnt get tossed around...
3 yrs ago...dixon circle..almost became...south central...ferguson..when some cops shot a dude in the back...the community was fed up...
the a$$holes who wanted the shyt to set off.trigger happy cops..and dumb ass bystanders got checked by their own...the new black panther party even got they asses checked...
situation cooled off..the hand full of fights that went on..not once did the word come out of nebodies mouth
texas we call em like it is...fukk that thug shyt...
if they black..its nikkas..
whites peckerwoods..
n y the swat didnt get involve..and why they waited til the gang was done..is this same muhfukkas shootin at each other..will click up..n to go head up with the law..
n this is waco..were standin off with the law..aint shyt...but target practice...
who the fukk cares if the thug label didnt get tossed around...
3 yrs ago...dixon circle..almost became...south central...ferguson..when some cops shot a dude in the back...the community was fed up...
the a$$holes who wanted the shyt to set off.trigger happy cops..and dumb ass bystanders got checked by their own...the new black panther party even got they asses checked...
situation cooled off..the hand full of fights that went on..not once did the word come out of nebodies mouth
I am not back pedaling. I said and you can quote "millions on millions" I never stated he never sold a million records. I am from Miami so I know.Damn u backpedal better than Deion in his prime
Dzali OG
Dz Ali OG...Pay me like you owe me!
We love to embrace the negative stereotypes of ourselves and wear them as a badge of honor.
For example, the "ghetto", nothing to be proud about...at all. What did we do...we made the ghetto and projects seem cool. Had suburbanites leaving their nice safe hoods to experience life in our world.
We're also good at taking words and making them ours (thug, phat, gangsta, ill, etc). It's part of our creativity.
Thug was not a term originally dedicated to us. It was used to describe someone who committed violent crimes in an unorganized manner. A description lower than a gangster. A thug is someone who does the dirty work and takes the fall for a gangster. A thug lacks the smarts and sophistication of a gangster.
Sometime in the early 90's, an official used the term to describe a black person who committed a violent crime. Before this, in our music we would use the term gangsta. This official used the term to slight the black criminals as not being sophisticated enough to be gangsters.
We did what we do and took the word for ourselves. We proudly labeled ourselves as "thugs". To understand this you have to go deeper.
As I've said, we're actually rejecting white "culture". We're rebelling against this system they have set up, which every other race for the most part, are assimilating too. As are our c00ns and others but they are portrayed as the minority. No other race CULTURALLY is as against the grain as we are. Notice the word culture.
The word is a safe racist word, but it's also to do with culture. That's the out white people who aren't racist have. They don't hate our black skin, they "hate our culture". For some, this is pretty accurate, at least in their minds.
So it can be racist...but at times it's about culture...just as big a threat to white supremacy. You can't fight WS if you submit to their culture, they win by default.
Our coolness and flamboyant nature is at odds with WS.
Like it or not, right or wrong, the word has been attached to black people. Lol...at our request. Before our request, it was used for other races too. Same way "ghetto" and "projects" weren't exclusive to us. We made ourselves the poster children for those terms.
That's where manning up comes into play. We gave them a safe racist word to generalize us with. And it's human nature to generalize people, even we do it. Do we not generalize Asians and Hispanics?
As been mentioned, there's thousands of albums with "thug" used as a badge. NO...the term didn't begin with hip hop...but WE embraced it. And totally different from the term "******". ****** was exclusive to black people, thug was not.
For example, the "ghetto", nothing to be proud about...at all. What did we do...we made the ghetto and projects seem cool. Had suburbanites leaving their nice safe hoods to experience life in our world.
We're also good at taking words and making them ours (thug, phat, gangsta, ill, etc). It's part of our creativity.
Thug was not a term originally dedicated to us. It was used to describe someone who committed violent crimes in an unorganized manner. A description lower than a gangster. A thug is someone who does the dirty work and takes the fall for a gangster. A thug lacks the smarts and sophistication of a gangster.
Sometime in the early 90's, an official used the term to describe a black person who committed a violent crime. Before this, in our music we would use the term gangsta. This official used the term to slight the black criminals as not being sophisticated enough to be gangsters.
We did what we do and took the word for ourselves. We proudly labeled ourselves as "thugs". To understand this you have to go deeper.
As I've said, we're actually rejecting white "culture". We're rebelling against this system they have set up, which every other race for the most part, are assimilating too. As are our c00ns and others but they are portrayed as the minority. No other race CULTURALLY is as against the grain as we are. Notice the word culture.
The word is a safe racist word, but it's also to do with culture. That's the out white people who aren't racist have. They don't hate our black skin, they "hate our culture". For some, this is pretty accurate, at least in their minds.
So it can be racist...but at times it's about culture...just as big a threat to white supremacy. You can't fight WS if you submit to their culture, they win by default.
Our coolness and flamboyant nature is at odds with WS.
Like it or not, right or wrong, the word has been attached to black people. Lol...at our request. Before our request, it was used for other races too. Same way "ghetto" and "projects" weren't exclusive to us. We made ourselves the poster children for those terms.
That's where manning up comes into play. We gave them a safe racist word to generalize us with. And it's human nature to generalize people, even we do it. Do we not generalize Asians and Hispanics?
As been mentioned, there's thousands of albums with "thug" used as a badge. NO...the term didn't begin with hip hop...but WE embraced it. And totally different from the term "******". ****** was exclusive to black people, thug was not.
jwonder
Superstar
Was the word thug ever a thing in mainstream media before hip hop?
The term Thug has been around for ions. It most likely came from Cacs referring to the Gangs of NY. Italians and Irish. Could be later than that though in the '50's when it started. Black people just started to use it in hip hop.
Klyk21
Hate is Rising, Love is Dying....
He spoke the truth! Please dispute it if you feel its c00nish.