CM Punk reportedly not satisfied with AEW

[Jmare007]

Wrestling fans care more about backstage drama than fake on-screen stories. And it's been that way for a minute.

But that doesn't turn into money or ratings. It's been proven time and time again that working fans by using wrestling dirtsheets have never meant anything worth a damn for a wrestling promotion. Tony Khan is a wrestling nerd/geek who has read, listened and probably even discussed online (via the DVDVR board) about those promotions failing to capitalize on anything by using that strategy.

I don’t know man, I just know people who cover AEW like Meltzer be moving funny


I could be wrong for sure, but I wouldn’t put it past these people to happily push a Hangman/Punk “real life” issue to build buzz around an upcoming feud at the request of their lord and savior Tony.


I don’t care enough to be right or wrong on the matter, but again.. I don’t trust these people

I think people mix up wrestlers wanting to work their own agenda and leaking shyt to wrestling "journalists" for their own benefit (whatever that might be) and actual bookers or wrestling owners having masterplans to work complicated angles that never mean shyt for their bottom line. It's one thing to use real life issues and do business around them, that shyt has always happened in wrestling. But it's another thing to manufacture an issue, make it seems it's something "real" and then try to use it as a TV angle.

I 100% know that guys like Meltzer, Keller, Sapp, etc. get fed bullshyt by wrestlers and they normally run with it without even double checking if shyt is real or not. But it's the wrestlers that want to get something out of that, not actual companies (and the few times companies tried to do that, it meant jackshyt, I think anyone hat knows anything about wrestling is not dumb enough to make those same mistakes again).

So the idea that Tony Khan is some kind of puppetmaster to lazy "journalists" is way harder to believe for me than his wrestlers being unhappy and leaking shyt out of spite or to try to gain something out of it.

People enjoyed the Shawn/Bret feud more knowing that behind the scenes those guys hated each other. Wrestling fans like feeling like they are getting a glimpse behind the curtain, if it wasn't for that desire people like Meltzer and Sean Ross Simp wouldn't exist. MJF had more interest in him coming off that one PPV than the people in the main event entirely because of all the dirt sheet rumors flying around that weekend. Did they wait too long now to capitalize on it? Probably.

They are trying to add an air of unpredictability to a show that has been mostly predictable as fukk for months now. That's probably why you're seeing more "_____ turns on _____ out of the blue" angles as well. There's gonna be more interest in the promos of the guys involved if you feel there's a chance they go off-script and start shooting. If I told you a week ago Hangman would have a promo on the 8/24 episode of Dynamite you wouldn't give a fukk, now if they say "This Weds, Adam Page speaks!" people will be interested to see if he sends real shots back at Punk.

The Bret-Shawn feud didn't draw single extra dime for WWF by being so open in the Wrestling Observer. Every hardcore fan of anything loves to know the ins and outs (and the gossip) about their hobbies. But it's been proven empirically that shyt doesn't really serve any real purpose to a wrestling company.

Like I said, I don't believe Tony Khan is this mastermind that has such intricate plans to work lazy ass "journalists" so his product has more buzz. I don't think he puts THAT much thought into shyt. I believe it's way more likely his locker room is filled with fukkery just like any other wrestling promotion. TK might use some shyt as a wrestling angle after the fact, like many others have done in the past, but that's as a reaction to something he didn't really have a handle on at first.

 

[Finn Baller]

But that doesn't turn into money or ratings. It's been proven time and time again that working fans by using wrestling dirtsheets have never meant anything worth a damn for a wrestling promotion. Tony Khan is a wrestling nerd/geek who has read, listened and probably even discussed online (via the DVDVR board) about those promotions failing to capitalize on anything by using that strategy.




I think people mix up wrestlers wanting to work their own agenda and leaking shyt to wrestling "journalists" for their own benefit (whatever that might be) and actual bookers or wrestling owners having masterplans to work complicated angles that never mean shyt for their bottom line. It's one thing to use real life issues and do business around them, that shyt has always happened in wrestling. But it's another thing to manufacture an issue, make it seems it's something "real" and then try to use it as a TV angle.

I 100% know that guys like Meltzer, Keller, Sapp, etc. get fed bullshyt by wrestlers and they normally run with it without even double checking if shyt is real or not. But it's the wrestlers that want to get something out of that, not actual companies (and the few times companies tried to do that, it meant jackshyt, I think anyone hat knows anything about wrestling is not dumb enough to make those same mistakes again).

So the idea that Tony Khan is some kind of puppetmaster to lazy "journalists" is way harder to believe for me than his wrestlers being unhappy and leaking shyt out of spite or to try to gain something out of it.



The Bret-Shawn feud didn't draw single extra dime for WWF by being so open in the Wrestling Observer. Every hardcore fan of anything loves to know the ins and outs (and the gossip) about their hobbies. But it's been proven empirically that shyt doesn't really serve any real purpose to a wrestling company.

Like I said, I don't believe Tony Khan is this mastermind that has such intricate plans to work lazy ass "journalists" so his product has more buzz. I don't think he puts THAT much thought into shyt. I believe it's way more likely his locker room is filled with fukkery just like any other wrestling promotion. TK might use some shyt as a wrestling angle after the fact, like many others have done in the past, but that's as a reaction to something he didn't really have a handle on at first.

I think your last sentence is what's the case here. He takes blowups backstage and turns them into angles after the fact, and then uses the wrestling media as his mouthpiece to get the story out about the backstage drama. The fact the wrestling media doesn't report on fights/etc and other backstage dirt unless it's part of some big angle on AEW TV is why I think they follow Tony Khan's marching orders.

We got damn near up to the minute "backstage" details about MJF booking a flight out of town (that never happened) and we're getting details about CM Punk almost no-showing a Dynamite (0 chance) but we never really got any good details about the alleged fallout between the Bucks and Cody or other rumored backstage situations.

 

[Buggsy Mogues]

But that doesn't turn into money or ratings. It's been proven time and time again that working fans by using wrestling dirtsheets have never meant anything worth a damn for a wrestling promotion. Tony Khan is a wrestling nerd/geek who has read, listened and probably even discussed online (via the DVDVR board) about those promotions failing to capitalize on anything by using that strategy.

What angles are you talking about?

 

[Reality Check]

Wrestling fans care more about backstage drama than fake on-screen stories. And it's been that way for a minute.

Not to go too completely off topic, but "Heels" on Starz could have capitalized on this and absolutely shyt the bed. Actually shocking they were given a second season.

 

[reserved_one]

I think Punk is doing a work shoot and it’s possible that Page wasn’t in on it but I could be wrong. Legitimately? I don’t think they fukk with each other. There was a promo Page cut on Punk where he passively aggressively shytted on him for being a Bret Hart ripoff.

FTR got the short end of the stick from The Bucks of being denied they’re crowning moment at All Out in a winner takes all match for all the belts. FTR and Punk are tight….He probably doesn’t like how the Bucks did business in that situation.

Yeah it could be bullshyt but I think there’s tension between the two camps and Tony being a Russo style booker wants to turn it into an angle. He may be attempting to-recreate the Bret Hart/Shawn Michaels feud from 1997 with Punk & Page.

I don’t know but there’s something going on right now we don’t have all the answers to.

 

[Silkk]

What angles are you talking about?

You really about to make me write all the stupid shyt Russo did in WCW & TNA?

Please Don’t

 

[Rell84shots]

You really about to make me write all the stupid shyt Russo did in WCW & TNA?

Please Don’t

You only need one

 

[Buggsy Mogues]

You really about to make me write all the stupid shyt Russo did in WCW & TNA?

Please Don’t

Nah I feel you but I guess my thing is, its a way to do it that isn't as goofy as those angles, where you can do it without making it obvious to everyone that it's fake. Like keep it on wax in terms of on-screen about wrestling - like if Phillip had come out Wednesday and said "I'm never gonna put you over" that would be bad to me, but build to a match that fans know or think is based on real issues.

 

[prophecypro]

I think your last sentence is what's the case here. He takes blowups backstage and turns them into angles after the fact, and then uses the wrestling media as his mouthpiece to get the story out about the backstage drama. The fact the wrestling media doesn't report on fights/etc and other backstage dirt unless it's part of some big angle on AEW TV is why I think they follow Tony Khan's marching orders.

We got damn near up to the minute "backstage" details about MJF booking a flight out of town (that never happened) and we're getting details about CM Punk almost no-showing a Dynamite (0 chance) but we never really got any good details about the alleged fallout between the Bucks and Cody or other rumored backstage situations.

That might bite him in the ass down the line with the Wrestling media (Sheets or otherwise) so while I get why he would play that, if he plays that card too often I dont know how well he will fare with them.

 

[Jmare007]

I think your last sentence is what's the case here. He takes blowups backstage and turns them into angles after the fact, and then uses the wrestling media as his mouthpiece to get the story out about the backstage drama. The fact the wrestling media doesn't report on fights/etc and other backstage dirt unless it's part of some big angle on AEW TV is why I think they follow Tony Khan's marching orders.

We got damn near up to the minute "backstage" details about MJF booking a flight out of town (that never happened) and we're getting details about CM Punk almost no-showing a Dynamite (0 chance) but we never really got any good details about the alleged fallout between the Bucks and Cody or other rumored backstage situations.

But we also got "he's showing up/he's part of the PPV/they talked it out and is expected to show up" reports the day before and the same day of the show from WON, which is Khan's favorite outlet.

We did a lot of details from Cody's departure, with IIRC Cody's POV probably being the source of them.

I think if TK was the main source for every backstage gossip from his company we'd already know about it because there's no way the talent wouldn't know and there would be no way wrestlers wouldn't come out in droves to "expose" him in any outlet (social media or online media). It's the kind of "secret" that can't be kept silent for too long, specially nowadays.

 

[CM_Burns]

CM Punk is a total gimmick. Couldn't beat anyone if it was real

 

[King Kai]

That was a hell of a promo.

Punk has always been a primadonna tho.

 

[Rell84shots]

That was a hell of a promo.

Punk has always been a primadonna tho.

Mox did his thing though as well, the money line is something I always wondered too.

 

[Slic Ric]

Mox did his thing though as well, the money line is something I always wondered too.

I always thought Mox was the best person to feud w/ Punk and Bryan in AEW because he could just use that angle and or that they were too p*ssy to come until AEW was established

 

[Finn Baller]

That might bite him in the ass down the line with the Wrestling media (Sheets or otherwise) so while I get why he would play that, if he plays that card too often I dont know how well he will fare with them.

they definitely don't feed Meltzer as much info as before, which is why he's finally critical of the AEW for the first time in 3 years. I'm sure he isn't happy that he reported Punk would be out a while and then a few days later Punk is hopping on one foot in an AEW ring. But by the same token the type of people who subscribe to WON or SRS's site are the rabid AEW fans so Meltzer and Sapp can't risk pissing off their target audience even if they might feel some type of way about potentially being worked.

But we also got "he's showing up/he's part of the PPV/they talked it out and is expected to show up" reports the day before and the same day of the show from WON, which is Khan's favorite outlet.

We did a lot of details from Cody's departure, with IIRC Cody's POV probably being the source of them.

I think if TK was the main source for every backstage gossip from his company we'd already know about it because there's no way the talent wouldn't know and there would be no way wrestlers wouldn't come out in droves to "expose" him in any outlet (social media or online media). It's the kind of "secret" that can't be kept silent for too long, specially nowadays.

there was also the Wade Keller report burying Cody and Brandi and saying everyone was happy to see him leave, which then got contradicted by several AEW talent on Twitter. AEW is generally pretty good at keeping people from leaking/snitching, which is why nobody knew about Brodie Lee for the longest. But we'll see what happens as their roster stays bloated and talent grows more frustrated.