BlackMamba824
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I wish I could go back and experience hearing this masterpiece for the first time
When I heard Hav come with "You know how we did on the Infamous album right?....Aiiiight that's how we gon' do it again son", I said
Classics Discussion: Mobb Deep & Big Pun
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When I heard Hav come with "You know how we did on the Infamous album right?....Aiiiight that's how we gon' do it again son", I said
RichForever
Pro
voted infamous, hoe, murda muzik, and CP for classic...CP is in my top 10 rap albums of all time
JayBaldacci
All Star
capitol punishment isn't a classic. bad skits, wyclef, a pointless intermission, and still not a playa prevent that. get rid of all that and add fire water/wishful thinking and then maybe.
the infamous is the only classic listed.
the infamous is the only classic listed.
If quality isn't an issue for you, then it's just an issue of whether the album still holds up right? Is it still held in high regard by the core hip hop community?
I think it's pretty self evident that Hell On Earth is still an album that rings bells. It's the album where P solidified his spot as one of the GOAT emcees. Some of his best verses are on this album
The Nighttime Vultures verse
Hell On Earth second verse
Apostles Warning
Still Shining
A vicious diss to Pac
Hav took the reins and did the whole album by himself.
Sticking to the core of the grimy sound from the Infamous, but somehow going more dark.
This is the album that established Hav as a producer.
Let's face facts, when you talk about Mobb Deep, one of the most legendary groups in hip hop history, you're taking about Infamous, Hell on Earth, and to a lesser extent MM.
I love HOE, but there are tracks I never play. Not because they're terrible, but their vibe is too similar to the next track. Making them sorta redundant. shyt is relentless darkness of the sinister variety. It gets played after a while.
Are the vibes of "Extortion" and "Bloodsport", and "Give It Up Fast" and "Nighttime Vultures" really all that different?
1/3 of the HOE I don't care for. The other 2/3 is brilliant and some of my favorite style of production ever
Nomad1
Tupac KONY and GOAT
good point HOE has limited production.
Inspect Her Deck
Skins of all colours come together as brothers
I think there were a lot of skits but I think there was just enough quality to get through, with Twinz, Tres Leches, Beware etc. and then the singles had an impact and look what impact this album had as a whole. I agree the skits were a little reckless and some unnecessary but it just edged it for me. Then again, this is a debatable album so I don't blame you for saying no. I said no at first.
Inspect Her Deck
Skins of all colours come together as brothers
If quality isn't an issue for you, then it's just an issue of whether the album still holds up right? Is it still held in high regard by the core hip hop community?
I think it's pretty self evident that Hell On Earth is still an album that rings bells. It's the album where P solidified his spot as one of the GOAT emcees. Some of his best verses are on this album
Hav took the reins and did the whole album by himself.
Sticking to the core of the grimy sound from the Infamous, but somehow going more dark.
This is the album that established Hav as a producer.
Let's face facts, when you talk about Mobb Deep, one of the most legendary groups in hip hop history, you're taking about Infamous, Hell on Earth, and to a lesser extent MM.
It finally sunk in that your definition to ME, or how I perceive it, is one that the community ought to understand as a collective. WE are the consensus and we decide that the album is held in high regard, BASED on our votes. But each vote is done by an individual, and some will NOT make up the consensus you speak of. So your definition makes sense to me but I can't represent a consensus. Also as I told you, there are different levels to consensus, which makes coming up with a consensus pretty tricky. The Infamous, for all intents and purposes, is consensus. I mean no matter what level, it ticks all the boxes. It is an Illmatic, a Cuban Linx etc.
Hell on Earth isn't. Some will say yes. Some no. I looked at the quality. It ticks the first box for me EASILY. It is one of the best albums of all-time. But what did it do that was so special? Yeah Prodigy rhymed like crazy but so did Pharoahe Monch on Stress. What makes Stress anything than another jazz/boom bap fusion album in the mid-90's? An excellent record, but nothing special.
The production on Hell on Earth is brilliant too. Dark and all that. But so is Showbiz and AG's Goodfellas. Is that a classic?
At the end of it, I low-key want Mobb to have 2 classics especially when Pac is given 3 (which I don't feel is deserved), but I personally cannot be swayed to call it a classic. I'm sure you know where I'm coming from on this.
Inspect Her Deck
Skins of all colours come together as brothers
I don't really think it's the whole vibe thing that matters to me. I think you're critiquing its quality, which is fair enough if that's how you feel. But that's not an issue for me, I think it has classic level quality. My question is what else does it bring to the table. Remember quality is all about the strength of the rapping, how it sounds sonically etc., and all the arguments I've heard thus far with regards to HOE being classic is off the strength of quality, how Havoc made a name for himself on the album production-wise, and Prodigy was at the peak of his rapping prowess. Nothing else though. Not like The Infamous.
voted for The Infamous and Capital Punishment as classics, no to the rest
faves survival of the fittest and super lyrical
hell on earth just missed the mark but is a beast of an album
the infamous is selfexplanatory, id say top 10 on everyone's list
voted for CP because i really feel Pun was one of a kind on the mic, despite his breath control not being great the way he put words together, few can compete in my opinion
faves survival of the fittest and super lyrical
hell on earth just missed the mark but is a beast of an album
the infamous is selfexplanatory, id say top 10 on everyone's list
voted for CP because i really feel Pun was one of a kind on the mic, despite his breath control not being great the way he put words together, few can compete in my opinion